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I wanted to say that because that builds a little bit of a thick of skin. Like hate is really hard to cope with, especially if you're a nice girl and you want people to kind of like you. And that's why I felt like that was such a bold move that you did there. People say things that they don't understand that actually somebody on the other side is hearing that. Oh, exactly.

I wanted to say that because that builds a little bit of a thick of skin. Like hate is really hard to cope with, especially if you're a nice girl and you want people to kind of like you. And that's why I felt like that was such a bold move that you did there. People say things that they don't understand that actually somebody on the other side is hearing that. Oh, exactly.

And by the way, those are watching us on YouTube. She is freaking gorgeous, which is kind of annoying, but no, you're amazing. And she's incredibly smart, gritty. Gretchen, first of all, you did have, and I think, again, we all do. I had my share of... whatever, 18, 20 year old in the Air Force was massive sexual harassment that I shut up about because I didn't feel like I should talk about.

And by the way, those are watching us on YouTube. She is freaking gorgeous, which is kind of annoying, but no, you're amazing. And she's incredibly smart, gritty. Gretchen, first of all, you did have, and I think, again, we all do. I had my share of... whatever, 18, 20 year old in the Air Force was massive sexual harassment that I shut up about because I didn't feel like I should talk about.

Obviously, as somebody Miss America, you have these agents, you have your own share of things that you decided at that point not to share. Can you share a little bit about it?

Obviously, as somebody Miss America, you have these agents, you have your own share of things that you decided at that point not to share. Can you share a little bit about it?

Years later, yeah. Yes.

Years later, yeah. Yes.

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What if this closes doors? You know, like a lot of things. So at that point, what do you see? Like, why are people not sharing? What are some of the things that you see? Because we're told not to.

What if this closes doors? You know, like a lot of things. So at that point, what do you see? Like, why are people not sharing? What are some of the things that you see? Because we're told not to.

I want to ask this because I also see a little bit of a pendulum and I would love to hear your thoughts. And I totally didn't mean to go there in this podcast, but this is fascinating. I hope the listeners are enjoying this, but there's a little bit of a pendulum.

I want to ask this because I also see a little bit of a pendulum and I would love to hear your thoughts. And I totally didn't mean to go there in this podcast, but this is fascinating. I hope the listeners are enjoying this, but there's a little bit of a pendulum.

So when I grew up, yes, there was a little bit of sexual harassment in the military, but in the general sense, I grew up, we would hug our male partners or male peers. We would go to dinners. It felt...

So when I grew up, yes, there was a little bit of sexual harassment in the military, but in the general sense, I grew up, we would hug our male partners or male peers. We would go to dinners. It felt...

And to some extent, the pendulum flew in a way that now there's so much fear from almost over sexual harassment and what will happen that it almost became so distant that I'm actually... Do I want this trouble? Do I want another Anita Hill? Do I want... Should I just go with hiring a man, right? So...

And to some extent, the pendulum flew in a way that now there's so much fear from almost over sexual harassment and what will happen that it almost became so distant that I'm actually... Do I want this trouble? Do I want another Anita Hill? Do I want... Should I just go with hiring a man, right? So...