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I love that metaphor. So you decide to go to politics and somehow you land a dream opportunity to be speechwriter for Vice President Al Gore. Like, how the heck did that happen, Daniel?

I love that metaphor. So you decide to go to politics and somehow you land a dream opportunity to be speechwriter for Vice President Al Gore. Like, how the heck did that happen, Daniel?

I'm not bullshitting.

I'm not bullshitting.

I agree a thousand percent. We call it the zone of genius. And I think it's exactly it. Like somehow that power of words, storytelling, persuasion, impact that creates somehow that gelled with you. And it almost looks like all those pieces, like the linguistics, the libraries, like everything came together to create that magic, essentially. So you're writing these speeches about

I agree a thousand percent. We call it the zone of genius. And I think it's exactly it. Like somehow that power of words, storytelling, persuasion, impact that creates somehow that gelled with you. And it almost looks like all those pieces, like the linguistics, the libraries, like everything came together to create that magic, essentially. So you're writing these speeches about

But at some point you decide that politics is not your thing. It's not going to be the thing. Tell us a little bit about that time.

But at some point you decide that politics is not your thing. It's not going to be the thing. Tell us a little bit about that time.

Incredible. Was it scary, Daniel? Do you remember? I didn't actually find it very scary.

Incredible. Was it scary, Daniel? Do you remember? I didn't actually find it very scary.

All right.

All right.

Well, sometimes when we're young, we do these things and we don't even realize that it should have been scary. Or maybe sometimes we don't even realize how hard it's going to be.

Well, sometimes when we're young, we do these things and we don't even realize that it should have been scary. Or maybe sometimes we don't even realize how hard it's going to be.

So take me there for a second. So a book takes time. God, I'm still, you know, I'm just now finishing my first. So I have so much respect. Meanwhile, like, is there like a nagging? Like, oh my God, should I get a regular job? Or is it just a passion? Because I think You came with the free agent nation in 2001 and then, you know, a whole new mind in 2004.

So take me there for a second. So a book takes time. God, I'm still, you know, I'm just now finishing my first. So I have so much respect. Meanwhile, like, is there like a nagging? Like, oh my God, should I get a regular job? Or is it just a passion? Because I think You came with the free agent nation in 2001 and then, you know, a whole new mind in 2004.

And I might not be completely accurate, but that's kind of right. But is there like, oh, my God, can I do this? Any dilemmas or no? You're like, oh, my God, I'm living a dream.

And I might not be completely accurate, but that's kind of right. But is there like, oh, my God, can I do this? Any dilemmas or no? You're like, oh, my God, I'm living a dream.

That is very true. Okay, so then at some point you're starting to research your writing for Drive and you uncover really what motivates people, right? And that becomes this game changer, right? First of all, did you realize that it's going to become a game changer?

That is very true. Okay, so then at some point you're starting to research your writing for Drive and you uncover really what motivates people, right? And that becomes this game changer, right? First of all, did you realize that it's going to become a game changer?