Irene O'Brien

There's no toilets here, are there?

No.

So the toilets are a big issue.

And, you know, there have been instances where people, you know, a large group of people are camping, they've got loud music, they maybe take bricks from the house to, like, their campfire, which obviously causes erosion to...

the protected habitat, which is Macair.

You can see all the flowers here.

But also you've got people going to the toilets in the houses.

So, you know, the toilets are a big question.

There's always been a debate.

You know, there's been a demand to put toilets out here.

The local authority aren't that keen without NPWS saying that, you know, that would be a good idea.

But then if you bring toilets out here, does that mean it allows more people onto the island or it encourages more people?

Yeah, absolutely.

And, you know, this is a wildlife haven.

Back in the 1990s, there were over about 150 pairs of wader species breeding here because they were struggling on the mainland.

You know, there's issues with mammal predation.

There isn't any predatory mammals out here.

Therefore, it became a wildlife haven.

So 150 then and now?

20, 25 that's not all down to disturbance to be fair you know ground nesting waders pieces are struggling anyway but you know these places are a refuge for them.