Irv Grossbeck

There were just pockets of activity where the terrain was mountainous in places like Pennsylvania and Oregon and

And a fellow named Bob Brooks, who was a vice president of Spencer Kennedy Labs, kind of took us under his wing, partly because he was a nice person and partly, I suspect, because he thought if our crazy idea of starting a company ever materialized, maybe he could sell us some electronics equipment, amplifiers specifically.

Yeah.

So he helped us understand the industry.

He told us a few states to look at, which included North and South Carolina and Ohio, where we eventually ended up, and some other states.

And we took to doing an analysis of the propagation of television stations and population pockets.

So we'd get a map and take a protractor, and we'd apply a circle on that map as to what the A coverage and the B coverage of the television broadcast stations was.

And we would look for places where there were opportunities.

And we eliminated North and South Carolina.

So finally, NamUs and I decided that I would go to Ohio.

And we would split the cost, which was important to me since I had no money.

And I would make a little foray out to Ohio.

And there were some cities we had targeted out there to take a look at and really see what the lay of the land was.

I went to some promising cities that we had uncovered.

One of them was Mansfield, Ohio.

And in my infinite wisdom or lack thereof,

I decided, no, there's an awful lot of what we called free signal, meaning available broadcast signal off air.

No, I don't think so.

Well, of course, since then, someone else came in and built a wildly successful system in Mansfield, Ohio.

So that's boat number one we missed.