Isabelle Boemeke

Yeah, it's fascinating.

Definitely, you know, fossil fuel industry has not been very stoked about nuclear.

And one of my favorite ads is actually an ad from the 70s.

And it's about this nuclear power plant that's being built in Long Island.

And so it says Lilico, which is the utility company.

It's trying to build a nuclear plant in your backyard.

And then it says it has a little sun in the center and it says solar, not nuclear.

And it was paid for by the Oil Heat Institute.

And they created this whole grassroots campaign to stop this nuclear power plant from being built.

And actually, this power plant is the Shoreham Power Plant.

And this is a power plant that was completed and then never got the license to operate because...

of the anti-nuclear movement.

The anti-nuclear movement was so strong back then.

Yeah, it's the most frustrating argument that I have.

When I actually just came out of a conference where I had this exact argument with somebody, you know, he said, we have crossed all of these boundaries, planetary boundaries.

The only way we can stop the destruction is degrowth.

And then, you know, these people have very sophisticated philosophies as to why degrowth is the answer.

But then when you ask them, okay, what is the plan?

They can't tell you.

It's just a vibe, right?