Ivan Balabanov

How much they are reinforcing, how much they are watching or people watch themselves or how does it go? Like I know when people come and train with us here and they're just... You should not use it in the Netherlands. Right.

How much they are reinforcing, how much they are watching or people watch themselves or how does it go? Like I know when people come and train with us here and they're just... You should not use it in the Netherlands. Right.

So how does training look like if you never have to use it? How do you compensate for that?

So how does training look like if you never have to use it? How do you compensate for that?

So in some ways it does make you a better trainer, for sure.

So in some ways it does make you a better trainer, for sure.

But do you think there are disadvantages to not having those tools?

But do you think there are disadvantages to not having those tools?

Was there any opposition when they tried to make the restrictions, the bans? Yeah, they did, but... I think the... At that situation, the KMPV trainers didn't help with the style and the type of, like they're pretty hard. And I think they did not help to defend that, right? No.

Was there any opposition when they tried to make the restrictions, the bans? Yeah, they did, but... I think the... At that situation, the KMPV trainers didn't help with the style and the type of, like they're pretty hard. And I think they did not help to defend that, right? No.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah.

In the States, they try all the time. But I don't know, somehow we have... from different like pet trainers, hunters, sport trainers. And we kind of, at that time we come together and we say, Hey, no, not everybody agrees with that. And, and the politicians in the beginning, they're like, oh yeah, let's make the band because it seems like everybody wants it.

In the States, they try all the time. But I don't know, somehow we have... from different like pet trainers, hunters, sport trainers. And we kind of, at that time we come together and we say, Hey, no, not everybody agrees with that. And, and the politicians in the beginning, they're like, oh yeah, let's make the band because it seems like everybody wants it.

But the moment they see that it's not everybody. then politicians, they want to be liked from every side. So they're like, okay, this is not something we decide yet. And that's been the case for many years now. And I think we're getting even stronger to protect how we train here. Do you feel that...

But the moment they see that it's not everybody. then politicians, they want to be liked from every side. So they're like, okay, this is not something we decide yet. And that's been the case for many years now. And I think we're getting even stronger to protect how we train here. Do you feel that...

What about IGP as a whole? Do you think that's going to get banned?

What about IGP as a whole? Do you think that's going to get banned?

Yeah, Germany is always a big factor.

Yeah, Germany is always a big factor.