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Ivan McClellan

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146 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

I felt like I didn't belong in the rooms that I was in, that I was going to be found out, thrown out in the street, forced to move back to Kansas.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

One day I was at a party.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

I didn't know anybody there except for the person whose birthday it was.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

And so I was just drinking by myself and sulking in the corner.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

Somebody tapped me on the shoulder and I turned around and there's a tall black man with a salt and pepper afro.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

And he introduces himself.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

He says his name is Charles Perry.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

Says he's a filmmaker.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

I say, oh, I'm a photographer.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

What are you working on?

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

He said, I'm working on a movie about black cowboys.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

I said, what, like a Western?

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

He said, no, like a documentary.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

I kind of laughed.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

I was like, oh, there's not enough black cowboys to make a whole documentary.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

Like, I knew a thing or two about cowboys.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

Like, I grew up watching Bonanza and Gunsmoke and Lonesome Dove reruns.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

Like, my school choir used to sing the national anthem at the American Royal Rodeo in Kansas.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

I viewed the cowboy to be the archetype of American independence and grit.

The Moth
You Can't Go Back: The Moth Radio Hour

But black cowboys, the only black cowboys I knew were Sheriff Bart in Blazing Saddles and Cowboy Curtis on Pee Wee's Playhouse.