Ivan Yates

It's water off a duck's back to me.

Matt Cooper was very upset.

He accused me of moonlighting.

Well, the presidential thing is supposed to be above politics and all this kind of... But it's the worst of them.

No, absolutely.

When you look at what happened to Aidy Roach, what happened to Gavin Duffy, what happened to so many people, and even people who considered being, you know, things that came out about them, you know...

Like I was even at the time that Billy Keller was going for the vote against Jim Gavin.

You know, the front page of The Independent had a story about how, you know, his brother had judgments against him, you know, from the revenue or whatever.

So, look, it's open seat because there is no policy.

You know, there is no substantive issue.

It's down to the personality.

So, like, that is a particularly evil election.

So your question was?

Smear the bejesus.

Put it like this.

It was very funny because a lot of I would use that.

And, you know, as I said to Alan, when you're on a podcast, you wouldn't say Deputy Alan Kelly.

You'd say AK-47.

You know what I mean?

When you're on a podcast, you have to make a conversation and you have to spice it up, especially when you're doing three or four podcasts all about the one presidential.