Ivan Yates

Basically, I would be quite price conscious as well.

You know what I mean?

Insofar as that on a previous discussion with a news talk, I had to tell you about some of the ripoff factors with wine and so on.

So I'm still of that view.

But no, I... You were quite intimidating.

But I do like, I do like...

So say I'm zonked and I come home at eight or nine o'clock at night, get the train in or whatever.

I actually enjoy the cooking programs.

I actually know it does drive me.

Oh, this is so simple, so simple.

And then, you know, you can see the little dishes of this all prepared and that prepared.

They spent hours preparing it.

So it's only two minutes here or there.

But it's like when you're a minister and you have all the minions to do the

Well, no, yeah.

But the point about it is that I actually find the very relaxing cooking programs and they've, you know, developed a good entertainment thing.

And, you know, look, you've seen it the same times over and over again.

It's like the books.

But anyway, it's all good.

What do you drink?