Ivana Hughes

So this, you know, the claim that I made a little earlier about,

about the United States actually having, in my mind, having the most to gain from pursuing a world free of nuclear weapons.

I was at a place called Wilton Park,

It's in the United Kingdom.

It was like being in a Jane Austen novel.

And it's a place where the UK's foreign ministry basically brings experts, diplomats, academics, and so on to discuss various issues all year long.

And one week a year, they devote to this nuclear nonproliferation treaty diplomacy.

And I was invited there last December.

And these meetings are held.

It was about 30 of us actually spoke, but it's a large room.

It's about 80 people.

And it was all very, very interactive.

And in one such exchange, I actually made this case that the United States has the most to gain from a world free of nuclear weapons.

And these meetings are held under what's called Chatham House rules.

So I can talk about what happened, but I can't talk about who said it.

So I'm not going to say who said it.

But a person responded to me and I had made a comment to their remarks.

and then made this comment about the U.S., and this person responded to me, after which I wasn't allowed, according to the rules, to respond.

So I'll tell you what the response was.

The response was, you're right, and I was shocked that they accepted this, you're right that the United States would be safer in a world free of nuclear weapons, but our allies would not be.