Ivana Hughes

Driven by the military-industrial complex, no doubt about it.

This is a very important stream of income for them.

The U.S.

not only spends more on defense than the next 10 countries combined, we also spend more on nuclear weapons than all countries that have them combined.

Absolutely.

I think we also have to, in some sense, stigmatize the very idea that somehow nuclear weapons are a symbol of progress, of advancement, of, you know, success.

I think, I really do think that.

that the ability to destroy humanity should be seen as a symbol of shame.

No, I don't think so.

Yeah, absolutely.

Pope Francis was actually a strong supporter of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons, and he...

He wrote, declared, stated more than once that the mere possession of nuclear weapons was immoral.

In, you know, in my mind, this is quite simply the really the most important issue in the world.

Because everything else is, you know, not going to get solved if we destroy the world in a nuclear war.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I, you know, I mentioned Jeffrey Sachs before as well.

We were at the Vatican together last November.

And he said something like, we can fix all these other things unless we blow ourselves up.

And that's quite simply what we're facing.

And without the general public really waking up to the realities of what we're facing, people were very engaged in the 1960s.