Jacinda Ardern

Yeah, you knew as much about COVID as a doctor did because you were studying it every night. I was mocked for that in some cases by the people I worked with. This is sitting between me and going to sleep now, this and you. And so for me, that idea of the right decision was never just about instinct and values. It was also about... Having the right information? Having the right information.

Yeah, you knew as much about COVID as a doctor did because you were studying it every night. I was mocked for that in some cases by the people I worked with. This is sitting between me and going to sleep now, this and you. And so for me, that idea of the right decision was never just about instinct and values. It was also about... Having the right information? Having the right information.

And, you know, that trait, that trait of imposter syndrome drove me to lead like that. That was a strength in the end.

And, you know, that trait, that trait of imposter syndrome drove me to lead like that. That was a strength in the end.

And, you know, that trait, that trait of imposter syndrome drove me to lead like that. That was a strength in the end.

And have the humility to know that you don't know all the answers and to bring in the people who might and to draw on that expertise.

And have the humility to know that you don't know all the answers and to bring in the people who might and to draw on that expertise.

And have the humility to know that you don't know all the answers and to bring in the people who might and to draw on that expertise.

And to say from time to time, I don't know. Because it's very different than I don't have a plan. And you can lead and be open about what you know and what you don't. And actually it can build trust. FDR was that kind of leader. And he communicated so directly to people during crisis, during the depression and war times, what he knew and what he didn't know.

And to say from time to time, I don't know. Because it's very different than I don't have a plan. And you can lead and be open about what you know and what you don't. And actually it can build trust. FDR was that kind of leader. And he communicated so directly to people during crisis, during the depression and war times, what he knew and what he didn't know.

And to say from time to time, I don't know. Because it's very different than I don't have a plan. And you can lead and be open about what you know and what you don't. And actually it can build trust. FDR was that kind of leader. And he communicated so directly to people during crisis, during the depression and war times, what he knew and what he didn't know.

And I think people built trust around him as a result. Who were other leaders you've admired? Well, I think, you know, when I look at the United States, I look at times of crisis. I mean, I do draw back to FDR because there was an empathy to him. And maybe that came from personal circumstance, but it manifested in the way that he did the job. In New Zealand, we have similar political leaders.

And I think people built trust around him as a result. Who were other leaders you've admired? Well, I think, you know, when I look at the United States, I look at times of crisis. I mean, I do draw back to FDR because there was an empathy to him. And maybe that came from personal circumstance, but it manifested in the way that he did the job. In New Zealand, we have similar political leaders.

And I think people built trust around him as a result. Who were other leaders you've admired? Well, I think, you know, when I look at the United States, I look at times of crisis. I mean, I do draw back to FDR because there was an empathy to him. And maybe that came from personal circumstance, but it manifested in the way that he did the job. In New Zealand, we have similar political leaders.

I remember as a... child our cat was named norm and my father named him us after a prime minister norman kirk and as i grew older i read a little bit more about him and he was asked in a prime time interview once you know what you know his greatest achievement is such an uh you know an entree into spouting off whatever policy as a politician you might have

I remember as a... child our cat was named norm and my father named him us after a prime minister norman kirk and as i grew older i read a little bit more about him and he was asked in a prime time interview once you know what you know his greatest achievement is such an uh you know an entree into spouting off whatever policy as a politician you might have

I remember as a... child our cat was named norm and my father named him us after a prime minister norman kirk and as i grew older i read a little bit more about him and he was asked in a prime time interview once you know what you know his greatest achievement is such an uh you know an entree into spouting off whatever policy as a politician you might have

He said the letters that he received after they increased benefits for the most vulnerable, one letter where a woman said she could finally afford shoes, new shoes. And what a relief it was to her. And here was this moment with this prime minister, you know.

He said the letters that he received after they increased benefits for the most vulnerable, one letter where a woman said she could finally afford shoes, new shoes. And what a relief it was to her. And here was this moment with this prime minister, you know.

He said the letters that he received after they increased benefits for the most vulnerable, one letter where a woman said she could finally afford shoes, new shoes. And what a relief it was to her. And here was this moment with this prime minister, you know.