Jack Clark

So this is the moment at which I get Twitter and Facebook are just getting off the ground.

The iPhone's just about to be launched.

So you're right there and sort of going to university at a moment where those sorts of things are exploding.

And at some point you become kind of interested in technology.

You don't become casual issue guru.

Instead, you set off on another path.

So one of the things you did as a journalist is you interviewed another great celebrity Brit in the world of AI.

You interviewed Demis Hassabis.

And you got a bit of a scoop.

Tell us a little bit about what he said to you then.

Is this not you as a humanities graduate?

I'm just desperate to find out.

OpenAI is the big competitor for Anthropic that created ChatGBT and that's run by a man called Sam Altman.

Sorry, back over to you.

How big was OpenAI then?

And what did it feel like then?

And tell us a little bit about those three people so we get a sense of them.

Because some of them had actually established themselves doing very remarkable research as academics.

This is something Matt told us about when we've been doing this AI series together, where he explained this lovely moment where suddenly this is incredible improvement in performance.

Except at another level, there must be a lot of people very jealous of you because presumably Silicon Valley is also full of tens of thousands of young men and some young women who are desperate to get in on the ground floor of what's going to be the next trillion dollar company.