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Jack Recider

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Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

Why not just establish a base in Israel, his home country, where he's a military veteran there? He knows people there. He can just operate out of there. But I have a theory. I believe Tal really likes what the NSO group is doing, which is creating mobile spyware and selling it to governments around the world. But he also saw all the heat and scrutiny that NSO group was under.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

They have to work closely with the Israeli government to share with them who they're doing business with. And there may be some restrictions that have been put on the NSO group, like who they can and can't do business with. And if there weren't restrictions, there is a lot of public outcry and scrutiny of the NSO group of what they should be doing and not doing, which can spoil deals.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

They have to work closely with the Israeli government to share with them who they're doing business with. And there may be some restrictions that have been put on the NSO group, like who they can and can't do business with. And if there weren't restrictions, there is a lot of public outcry and scrutiny of the NSO group of what they should be doing and not doing, which can spoil deals.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

I believe Tal saw this huge fire that the NSO group had started and decided to take the wheel and drive right into it. But he would sort of sidestep all the bureaucracy that NSO was tied up in. If the Israeli government required some kind of oversight into the affairs of NSO group, then forget that. Let's set up shop in a different country.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

I believe Tal saw this huge fire that the NSO group had started and decided to take the wheel and drive right into it. But he would sort of sidestep all the bureaucracy that NSO was tied up in. If the Israeli government required some kind of oversight into the affairs of NSO group, then forget that. Let's set up shop in a different country.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And if NSO couldn't sell to certain regimes, Tal might have saw that as an opportunity to do business with forbidden customers. Cal knows that some people he sells his spyware to misuse it. But his response to this? Well, he told Forbes.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And if NSO couldn't sell to certain regimes, Tal might have saw that as an opportunity to do business with forbidden customers. Cal knows that some people he sells his spyware to misuse it. But his response to this? Well, he told Forbes.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

Which makes me think he may be interested in doing business with anyone. And if that's the case, I'm not sure he only does business with governments. He might be selling his spyware to anyone who can afford it. In 2019, Tal started thinking bigger. That van kitted out with that wispier technology, he wanted to crank that thing up even higher.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

Which makes me think he may be interested in doing business with anyone. And if that's the case, I'm not sure he only does business with governments. He might be selling his spyware to anyone who can afford it. In 2019, Tal started thinking bigger. That van kitted out with that wispier technology, he wanted to crank that thing up even higher.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

Now, he's not the kind of guy that's tapping away on the keyboard writing malware. No, what he's looking for are other companies that are already doing that because he'd want to purchase those companies. Two companies caught his eye, Citrox and Nexa. Citrox made this phone hacking software called Predator. And I believe it was Citizen Lab that first showed us a glimpse into what Predator is.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

Now, he's not the kind of guy that's tapping away on the keyboard writing malware. No, what he's looking for are other companies that are already doing that because he'd want to purchase those companies. Two companies caught his eye, Citrox and Nexa. Citrox made this phone hacking software called Predator. And I believe it was Citizen Lab that first showed us a glimpse into what Predator is.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

A couple of people in Egypt felt like something weird was going on on their phone. One was a journalist, one was a politician, and they heard about Citizen Lab and they reached out asking them to examine their phones.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

A couple of people in Egypt felt like something weird was going on on their phone. One was a journalist, one was a politician, and they heard about Citizen Lab and they reached out asking them to examine their phones.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

Payload 2 didn't match any previously known malware that they had been tracking on phones. So of course, it was time to crack this open and look closer.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

Payload 2 didn't match any previously known malware that they had been tracking on phones. So of course, it was time to crack this open and look closer.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

This was a big finding, and they published this for everyone to see. The report was loaded with tons of information too. I mean, not only was it like, here's the malware we found, but it's like, here's what it does, here's how you can detect if it's on your phone, but it also showed the links to how they know that this is the predator spyware made by Cytrox. But it doesn't stop there.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

This was a big finding, and they published this for everyone to see. The report was loaded with tons of information too. I mean, not only was it like, here's the malware we found, but it's like, here's what it does, here's how you can detect if it's on your phone, but it also showed the links to how they know that this is the predator spyware made by Cytrox. But it doesn't stop there.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

It goes on to say who Cytrax was, who Taldillion was, and all these other companies that may also be involved with this. And then it goes on to say who those companies may be selling this to, actually listing some of the governments that may have bought this.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

It goes on to say who Cytrax was, who Taldillion was, and all these other companies that may also be involved with this. And then it goes on to say who those companies may be selling this to, actually listing some of the governments that may have bought this.

Darknet Diaries
137: Predator

And I just want to stop and show respect for this skill for a moment. It's one thing to be able to analyze binary files for an iPhone, but it's a whole other skill set to try to determine the geopolitical ramifications for such an exploit being sold on the mercenary marketplace. You know? In fact, it wasn't just Citizen Lab who was investigating this.