Jack Recider

There was a media tycoon on there, a cabinet minister, senior military officials, friends of the prime minister's wife. our respected newspaper editor, and even a popular comedian.

Then the Greek government was asked again, and this time they said, Well, actually, it does sound like what happened was that some people got wiretapped, and we do wiretap sometimes, but it's for national security, and we don't use Predator to do it. But any wiretapping we do do, that's legal.

Then the Greek government was asked again, and this time they said, Well, actually, it does sound like what happened was that some people got wiretapped, and we do wiretap sometimes, but it's for national security, and we don't use Predator to do it. But any wiretapping we do do, that's legal.

Well, the pressure continued to mount, and it was focused on APE, the Intelligence Department of the Greek government.

Well, the pressure continued to mount, and it was focused on APE, the Intelligence Department of the Greek government.

Now, even though people resigned, the government didn't admit to doing anything illegal. They said, what happened might have been legal, but it was also wrong.

Now, even though people resigned, the government didn't admit to doing anything illegal. They said, what happened might have been legal, but it was also wrong.

Now, once these people resigned, journalists and investigators were looking into who these people were. And it turned out that one of them was the nephew of the prime minister. And he actually had some kind of connection with the NSO group. I think they were trying to discuss the Pegasus software a while back.

Now, once these people resigned, journalists and investigators were looking into who these people were. And it turned out that one of them was the nephew of the prime minister. And he actually had some kind of connection with the NSO group. I think they were trying to discuss the Pegasus software a while back.

Of course, journalists and investigators continued asking the Greek government questions, which led us to learn something new.

Of course, journalists and investigators continued asking the Greek government questions, which led us to learn something new.

Wait, so the Sudanese government said, yeah, we did buy it?

Wait, so the Sudanese government said, yeah, we did buy it?

What? What? What is happening here? Someone at Intellexa applied for an export license to sell their spyware to a group in Sudan who is notorious for committing crimes against humanity. And the Greek government is like, yep, approved. Go for it. Doesn't this put some kind of responsibility now on the Greek government for assisting Sudan in the proliferation of digital weapons?

What? What? What is happening here? Someone at Intellexa applied for an export license to sell their spyware to a group in Sudan who is notorious for committing crimes against humanity. And the Greek government is like, yep, approved. Go for it. Doesn't this put some kind of responsibility now on the Greek government for assisting Sudan in the proliferation of digital weapons?

I'm just so tired of things being blatantly wrong in the world and nothing being done about it. I need some help here. Hello, hello. Let me just turn all the vibrations off. All right.

I'm just so tired of things being blatantly wrong in the world and nothing being done about it. I need some help here. Hello, hello. Let me just turn all the vibrations off. All right.

This is John Scott Railton. He's been on the show a few times, and I just like to call him JSR. He works with Bill at Citizen Lab, and he got his hands on this predator malware and analyzed it further. I told him how mad and upset and frustrated I was about all this, and JSR being JSR tried to help.

This is John Scott Railton. He's been on the show a few times, and I just like to call him JSR. He works with Bill at Citizen Lab, and he got his hands on this predator malware and analyzed it further. I told him how mad and upset and frustrated I was about all this, and JSR being JSR tried to help.

Oh my God.