Jack Recider

Oh my God.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not ready to get that deep about my feelings right now. Hold on. Let's reset. Why I called JSR was because I wanted to talk with him about the ethics of all this, not how I get depressed about it. Okay, so let's try to understand the implications of all this.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not ready to get that deep about my feelings right now. Hold on. Let's reset. Why I called JSR was because I wanted to talk with him about the ethics of all this, not how I get depressed about it. Okay, so let's try to understand the implications of all this.

Yeah, and looking at this, I stumbled upon this thing called the ISS World Conference, which seems to be just a venue of all these mercenary spyware groups.

Yeah, and looking at this, I stumbled upon this thing called the ISS World Conference, which seems to be just a venue of all these mercenary spyware groups.

Yeah, I spoke about this in episode 98, which is called Zero Day Brokers. There are people who came through the NSA and were developing exploits while working there, and they realized that they could start their own company developing exploits and then sell that to the NSA and make more money doing that than if they were to work at the NSA. And yeah, some of this tech looks hot.

Yeah, I spoke about this in episode 98, which is called Zero Day Brokers. There are people who came through the NSA and were developing exploits while working there, and they realized that they could start their own company developing exploits and then sell that to the NSA and make more money doing that than if they were to work at the NSA. And yeah, some of this tech looks hot.

So I can imagine some other countries wanting this capability too. And while their internal forces may not be sophisticated enough to develop it, they may have the cash to buy it. And who knows where they're buying viruses and malware from, you know? So I'm trying to find that line in my head of when this goes wrong, where's that ethical line? And I've got spy tools myself, right?

So I can imagine some other countries wanting this capability too. And while their internal forces may not be sophisticated enough to develop it, they may have the cash to buy it. And who knows where they're buying viruses and malware from, you know? So I'm trying to find that line in my head of when this goes wrong, where's that ethical line? And I've got spy tools myself, right?

I can walk into the store and buy binoculars and a camera and an audio recording device. And I practice hacking things. So sometimes I've got little Little devices that can screw around. And some of that stuff's available commercially at DEF CON, and nobody really puts a big stink about that. Like, oh, this is awful. You're giving this to the criminals of the world. It just kind of is out there.

I can walk into the store and buy binoculars and a camera and an audio recording device. And I practice hacking things. So sometimes I've got little Little devices that can screw around. And some of that stuff's available commercially at DEF CON, and nobody really puts a big stink about that. Like, oh, this is awful. You're giving this to the criminals of the world. It just kind of is out there.

But there's something about this that's different. And do you have a good sense of when that wind shifts to, ah, this is a stinky wind?

But there's something about this that's different. And do you have a good sense of when that wind shifts to, ah, this is a stinky wind?

It appears to me that sometimes when governments get this kind of capability, the temptation is just too high to use it on their wives' friends, their opposition leader. It's just stuff that shouldn't be targeted. Do you have any thoughts about, man, you've got to really get permission. If you buy this tool, you've got to really...

It appears to me that sometimes when governments get this kind of capability, the temptation is just too high to use it on their wives' friends, their opposition leader. It's just stuff that shouldn't be targeted. Do you have any thoughts about, man, you've got to really get permission. If you buy this tool, you've got to really...

I just realized something. And I don't have time to really research this further, so I'm just going to go off the cuff here. But like Google and Facebook, they know a ton about us, right? They have access to our emails, text messages, friend circles, contacts, even our location. And the police have sometimes asked Google or Facebook for the information on one of their users.

I just realized something. And I don't have time to really research this further, so I'm just going to go off the cuff here. But like Google and Facebook, they know a ton about us, right? They have access to our emails, text messages, friend circles, contacts, even our location. And the police have sometimes asked Google or Facebook for the information on one of their users.

And if given the right warrant or whatever Google needs, Google will turn over that data to the cops. And I don't know, that concept alone kind of prompts me to pull focus in on these big tech companies and how they can spy on us harder than Predator can. And it's built into their terms of service.

And if given the right warrant or whatever Google needs, Google will turn over that data to the cops. And I don't know, that concept alone kind of prompts me to pull focus in on these big tech companies and how they can spy on us harder than Predator can. And it's built into their terms of service.

But the thing that I just thought about is, what happens when some other country wants data on a Google user? Like the Sudanese government. They might be like, hey, this guy here, he's committed some crimes, right? Can you tell us everything you know about him, Google? does Google have to comply with local law enforcement?