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Jacob Kimmel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

One of the main mechanisms that just makes it difficult for evolution to solve a problem is that if a mutation breaks a gene or somewhere along the path of edits, imagine there are three edits that take a host defense gene from restricting SIV to restricting this new nasty PT endogenous retrovirus.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Well, if one edit just breaks the gene, two edits just breaks the gene, three edits fixes it, it's really hard for evolution to find a path whereby you're actually able to make those first two edits because they're net negative and that net negative for fitness.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You need some really weird contingent circumstances.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Through duplication, you can create a scenario where those first two edits are totally tolerated.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

They have no effect on fitness, you've got your backup copy, it's doing its job.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so even though the mutation rate is low, some of these edits actually aren't that large.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

I'm going to forget the number of edits, for instance, in TRIM5-alpha for this particular phenomenon we're talking about for memory.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

But it's in, like, the tens.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

It's not that you need massive kilobase scale rearrangements.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

It's actually a fairly small number of edits.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And basically, you can just align the sequence of this gene in new world versus old world monkeys and then for humans.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And you find there's a very high degree of conservation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You can arrange genes in the human genome by homology to one another.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And what you find is even in our current genome, even without having the full historical record, there are many, many genes which are likely resulting from duplication events.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

One like trivial way that you can check this for yourself is like just go look at the names of genes.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And very often you'll see something where it's like gene one, gene two, gene three, or, you know, type one, type two, type three.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And if you then go look at the sequences...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Sometimes those names arise from like they were discovered in a common pathway and they have nothing to do with each other.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

A lot of the time it's because the sequences are actually quite darn similar.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And really what probably happened is they evolved through a duplication event and then maybe did some swapping with some other genes.