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Jacob Kimmel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
972 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And you ended up with these quite similar, quite homologous genes that now have specialized functions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So it's like when evolution has a new problem to solve, it doesn't have to start from scratch.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

It starts from, like, what was the last copy of the parameters for encoding a gene that is getting close to solving this?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Okay, let's do a copy-paste on that and then iterate and fine-tune on those parameters as opposed to having to start with, like, ab initio, some random stretch of sequence somewhere in the genome has to become a gene.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Interesting.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

The number of calories they can gather for the population.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Yeah, I think that's correct.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

I don't think that there is a single monocausal explanation for aging.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

I think there are layers of molecular regulation that explain a lot.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

For instance, I have dedicated my career now to working on epigenetics and trying to change which gene cells use because I think that explains a lot of it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

But it's not that there is like some upstream bad gene X and all we have to do is turn that off and suddenly aging is solved.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And so I think the most likely outcome is that when we eventually develop medicines that prolong health in each of us, it's not going to fix everything all at once.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

There's not going to be a singular magic pill, but rather you're going to have medicines that add multiple healthy years to your life, years you can't otherwise get back.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

But it's not going to fix everything at the same time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

You are still going to experience for the first medicine some amount of decline over time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

And this gives you an example of if you think about evolution as a medicine maker in this sort of anthropomorphic context, why it might not have been selected for immediately.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

So we're working on something called epigenetic reprogramming, which very broadly is using genes called transcription factors.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Evolution designed us to die fast; we can change that โ€” Jacob Kimmel

I like to think about these as sort of the orchestra conductors of the genome.