Jacob Savage

We need to just create our own.

And I think that that's a valid reaction.

The issue is that it takes 20 years to, you know, even start to create new institutions.

And by then, you're past your career.

So I think...

I don't know.

It's hard to, I, I, I think that going forward, my hope, and I don't, I can't tell people how to feel individually, but my hope is that we just move past this in a way that, uh, feels fair.

You know, I think part of it is no one in this country at this point, not, it felt not the left, not the right.

No one thinks anything is fair anymore.

Um, you know, the, the, and I,

Sort of dividing people up like this for the last 15 years has clearly not led to sort of good feeling towards our fellow citizens.

Right.

And.

I just my hope is that, you know, we just start treating people as people and hiring them as such and acknowledging difference while not, you know, sort of harping on it in a way that that is poisonous in the end.

Part of me is also pessimistic.

I'm not sure that that will happen.

That's my hope, but I sort of think this could just be going like a merry-go-round of this until I'm an old man, which I hope doesn't happen.

Yeah.

I mean, I think, I think that that's a real danger and I don't,

I don't quite know how to address it other than to say, you know, there are joys in life that like have nothing to do with your career or, you know, and you should try to find community however you can.