The Glenn Beck Program
Ep 284 | White Males Need Not Apply | Jacob Savage | The Glenn Beck Podcast
28 Mar 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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We're about to give you this staff writing job, and we can't because you're a white guy.
For the person that is your age that feels like, I'm being massively screwed, how do you deal in that world?
I was definitely a liberal. I am not a liberal anymore. It's like, here's the most popular show in the country for half the country, and we're just going to pretend that it doesn't exist.
Hey, Jacob. Thanks for being on with me.
Oh, sure. Thanks for having me.
I read your story, and I'll tell you why in a little while. It really frightens me. It concerns me a great deal because we're losing a whole generation. For anybody who doesn't know your story and the article that you wrote, you were a ticket scalper. You wanted to be a Hollywood writer. What happened?
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Chapter 2: What does Jacob Savage reveal about discrimination in Hollywood?
But I think part of the thing is this.
I mean, I mean, I wouldn't have written the article if I was if I was good for you. At least you're on. Yes.
But I think if you look at the numbers, the number, you know, I went into depth in this article about the sort of broader numbers within all these different industries. And the year I moved to Hollywood, there were about 48 percent of the lower level writers were white men.
Which honestly seems I think white men for whatever reason were more likely to go into this field partly for you know, whatever historic reasons Maybe partly because of some residual Discrimination I can't I don't know but I think 48% was about the number of white men who were aspirants for this for these jobs in 2011 by 2024
that was 11% was the number of white men who are getting these jobs, which is, you know, obviously you go from being one and a half times more represented via their population to like one third within the space of a decade. And it's sort of astonishing when you really unpack that, what that means. It was not a slow change.
It was not, you know, we're going to have we're going to hire, you know, 1% less white guys every year. It was we're just going to stop. And I spoke to a showrunner who reached out after the article was published. And he said, actually, that 11% number is not even right because the 11% involves all of the true nepo hires that the showrunners had to make. So an actor's son got that job.
Someone with some connections got that job. So what you're really talking about is that no one was let in who didn't either have a connection to begin with or some sort of other identity, I suppose.
You believe in merit-based hiring?
I do believe in merit, yes. Yes, I do.
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Chapter 3: How do DEI policies affect opportunities for white males?
There's no reconciliation with this. It was, we're going to punish you. The only way to be, not be a racist is to be a racist, you know, anti-racism. I mean, which is, is nuts in its, in its practice.
Yeah, I think the idea that the answer to past discrimination is present discrimination is just sort of perpetuating this cycle that will not end. It does not end well.
and i think there was also in some sense a lot of stolen valor among um people my generation who were not white men you know if you're a white woman who graduated college in 2010 i don't think you ever faced real sexism in the workplace you did not grow up in the time of your mother you know you were not like a woman in an office in the 1980s um and the idea that that somehow uh
was still the case in the 2010s was just so like patently false. But everyone sort of was play acting at living in a different decade than the decade they were actually living in. How did that happen? I think it's tough. I mean, part of me wanted to get into sort of the full origins of this, but it's hard to know exactly. My sense is that
there was a lot of disappointment after the first obama term and you know race relations gender relations had not been completely utopianly healed in america and i think that people went crazy. And I think the media drove cycle after cycle about this for almost a decade.
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Chapter 4: What personal experiences shaped Jacob's views on meritocracy?
And it's hard when you're the CEO of one of these companies to say, we're going to ignore it. Think about how many people sort of got canceled in the 2010s for not real stuff.
um it was just this hype cycle i think i think probably if you go into it it was probably a combination of politics technology and media that made it take off so intensely without even because the interesting thing is there were no government mandates like mandating people you know you know obviously in fact it's actually illegal to do this stuff um but
it all kind of swirled around to create this pressure both from the bottom from sort of like the the generic twitter user in 2015 and from the top you know where you're like the top the people at the top didn't want to be called a racist um or a misogynist so you ended up with converging on these pressures that uh kind of froze out younger white men so what do you think the fields are the the worst that were hit by dei
So I wrote about in the article very specifically and in depth about media, academia and Hollywood. I think those I wrote about those fields, not because I think those were the only fields that were affected, but because they were the most relentless about cataloging what they were doing.
So, you know, every year there would be reports that told you what how many new hires were of which gender and race. Right. Which makes it very easy to sort of go go back and prove prove the case that you were making. Now, I think it happened. It obviously happened in almost every case. liberal field. It happened in foundations. It happened in advertising. It happened in corporate America.
I think it happened in tech. It happened in a lot of those to a lesser extent than it happened in media, academia and Hollywood. But I think it happened in any sort of liberal, but when I say liberal, I don't mean, you know, it could be in the heart of Texas, but if it's like a Fortune 500 company, they're still gonna, you know, face those pressures.
What happened to anyone who sort of worked within liberal America, I think? Are we done with it? Has it peaked?
I think it's peaked.
I think there's still, there's still, I don't think we're done with it. Every once in a while, there's an article, and I think the New York Times has gotten a lot better than it was four or five years ago, but every once in a while, there's still an article that pretends it's 2019 again, and you wonder if they're just sort of biding their time.
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Chapter 5: Why are young men increasingly disillusioned with the Democratic Party?
And the truth is, you know, it's not miserable. And, you know, take joy in the things that like,
Are you exploring other ways to write? I mean, you know, this article that I wrote, I mean, I think it would have been picked up a lot more if it wasn't calling out the power so much. But I mean, let me read this. J.D. Vance said a lot of people think D.I. 's lame diversity seminars or race racial slogans at NFL games.
In reality, it's a deliberate program of discrimination primarily against white men. It's an incredible piece that describes the evil of D.I. and its consequences. I mean, I don't know how you feel about J.D. Vance, but I mean, it was read by a lot of people, your article. You want to be a writer. You were a very successful writer on this article.
The response has been very gratifying and it's great. And, you know, it's what you want out of a piece of writing is for people to hear you and to grapple with it. I have been exploring, you know, more writing pathways. What I'll say is that no, I've been contacted by a bunch of people. No one in Hollywood has been like, maybe we should see what his scripts were all about. Right.
What do you write? What kind of scripts do you write?
I wrote a bunch of hour-long TV pilots, dramas, a couple that were very good. I did... I wrote a couple movies. One I thought was bad, one I thought was very good. There were a bunch of, you know... I love your honesty. You write scripts. You know, you write some clunkers, you write some stuff that you think is actually really good. Yeah, I think what I'll say...
Part of the issue, and this is what my critics from the left will say, is that this is a structural problem and it's a sinking ship in all these industries. And you're sure women and people of color got more of these jobs, but it was just because the white men had fled because they knew it was a sinking ship. No, no.
What I'll say to that is I do think there are structural problems in media and Hollywood and academia. But part of those structural problems are because they didn't, A, follow the market to what people wanted to watch and read and hire the best people.
And, you know, I don't know what the world I don't think that it would have solved, say, a Hollywood streaming problem or, you know, the the decline of all newspapers that are at The New York Times. But it certainly would have if they had given more, you know, talent and different voices, you know, different political voices that were not all identical.
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Chapter 6: How do societal pressures impact marriage rates among Millennials?
um i think you're seeing less of that um i think you're seeing less of this sort of um you know but i you know i i just want them to grow up in a world in which you know they can i'm more concerned about ai and all this other stuff for them and for the future than i am about this identity stuff i hope it will work itself out um decently uh but
And I'm more concerned about the fact that kids all have Chromebooks in California in kindergarten than I am with the... Maybe with what they're teaching. I think that I can teach them what they need to know, but not if they're on their Chromebook all day.
Go ahead. Oh, so I just...
I know my, my hope is that it, that it works itself out at least, um, that there's more room for like actual political difference and, um, less identitarian, uh,
issues as they as they grow up because like the truth is we live in what you know whether you like it or not whether you think you know you know immigration should have been stopped in 1965 or 1925 or 1880 like we're all here and it has to work and the only way to make it work is to you know is to, is to work together as a, as a political entity to, to make it work.
Right. Find value in each other. I want to end with this. Give, give advice to somebody that may be you at your lowest moment, whatever that moment was where you were like, I can't, whatever it was, describe that. And then, What would you say to yourself or somebody who's living in that moment right now?
What's my lowest moment?
there was a moment i was at a party and um i was told that you know there were a couple of women who had gotten these tv jobs sort of purely by virtue of of canceling this i'm not going to say names of canceling this this other guy um and it just made me and i had been banging my head against the wall to try to get a job for you know five or six years at that point and i was um
I was just super upset. I think what I would tell myself is to pivot. I would tell myself to stop. If you're banging your head against the wall that much, if it makes you that upset, find something that doesn't.
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