Jad Abumrad (host) / main Radiolab host voice

That's such a degree of intimacy that I find.

Now, as for Dustin Brown, Veronica's biological dad, a couple months before she was born, Christy, the birth mom, sent him a text message asking him if he wants to pay child support or he wants to waive his rights.

And he replied, I'll waive my rights.

Yeah, and then actually a few months later, he seems to make it even more official by signing a form agreeing to the adoption.

And then he changes his mind?

Yeah, you know, and obviously I was wondering, what was he thinking?

Because you can't avoid the fact that how you feel about this guy is going to influence how you feel about this law.

Yeah.

And so I was trying to get in touch with him.

I was pestering his lawyers, you know, will he do an interview?

This went on for weeks and they were basically like, he doesn't want to do interviews.

He doesn't want to talk.

Yeah.

So you didn't get him.

Yeah, I got him.

Good.

So shortly before we were going to wrap this story, I get an email saying, come to Oklahoma.

So I went.

He lives in this one-story house on this tree-lined block in a small town north of Tulsa.

What does he look like?