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Jad Abumrad

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332 total appearances

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Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

Congress passed something called the Espionage Act.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

Part of it had to do with spy stuff, but there was another part.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

that made it a crime to say things.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

And so all of a sudden, people were getting thrown in jail.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

People who gave speeches against the draft.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

And several of these cases actually made it all the way up to the Supreme Court.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

So in March 1919, three different cases come up in quick succession.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

Schenck v. United States, Frohwerk v. United States, Debs v. United States.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

saying First Amendment does not apply here.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

Like Espionage Act, lock these people up.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

And Holmes, in all three of these cases, he actually writes the majority opinions.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

Like, look, we are in the middle of a war.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

You cannot shut your damn mouth, joke around, shut your mouth.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

Otherwise, you're going to prison.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

Now, Holmes had his reasons for believing that.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

A lot of them going back to his experiences fighting in the Civil War.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

Like he had these kind of two complicated feelings about it.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

One was that it was a war to end slavery.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

It was a righteous war.

Radiolab
What Up Holmes?

But at the same time, it was a brutal and barbaric fight.