Jad Abumrad

It was so devastating.

For him, it was unforgettable.

Sort of forged him and made him who he was and really influenced the way he thought about the world.

I mean, the war was like 50 years earlier, but he was still thinking about it.

He still had his uniform hanging up in his closet and it was still stained with his blood.

And so when World War I was happening.

His argument was basically that the good of the country mattered more than one person's right to say what they want.

If there's an epidemic... Which, for them, like us, was probably top of mind because the Spanish flu had just happened.

For the greater good.

Later on in his career, Oliver Wendell Holmes took the same argument to a pretty disturbing place.

using it to support the practice of forced sterilization in Buck v. Bell.

We actually did a whole episode about that case.

But going back to speech, these three cases come to the Supreme Court.

That's in March 1919, right?

Then for some reason, eight months later in November, there's another case, the Abrams case, very similar circumstances of the case.

And he switches sides.

Almost all the other justices are still agreeing with the conviction.

But he writes a dissent.

Right.

So here.