Jad Abumrad

You can go to this URL, radiolab.org slash the ugly truth.

Don't click this.

Radiolab.org slash the ugly truth.

Don't, no apostrophe, click this.

And we just leave it to you.

You can go there or you cannot.

You know, he did turn sweet at one moment.

We were talking about the grandma.

The grandma tells the grandson in the conversation at the end, she's not sure she could explain to him how it went.

Huh.

And yet she was a party to it.

She's the one.

He says, you know, oftentimes when you're doing tricks, somebody knows everything and the other person is, you know, in the dark.

Yeah.

You mean like one of the partners intentionally not knows what's happening?

It might have happened here.

He may have...

decided that he would be the knowing one, she would be the innocent, and maybe therefore, and this is just a hunch, but just possibly everything she's saying to her grandchild, instead of being a kind of dodge or a little bit of a lie, maybe it was the whole truth.

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