Jake Humphrey

you know i tend to watch amateur football locally so maybe that's that's my way okay i'm mentally keeping clean or it might just be budgetary reasons oh well james honestly it's been an absolute pleasure to speak to you on this and i think your book if nothing else it makes you think you know what i mean that and rather than just unquestioningly accepting what we're told

from the main protagonists I think giving you the chance to stop and think and reflect is a valuable service so congratulations on it and thank you for sharing some of the some of the insights and the research and the stories from it oh no thank you Damien and thank you again for your Manchester United the Ferguson book from years ago oh yeah okay thank you that was a cracker but no thank you for your time I think it's been fascinating speaking to you will you be watching the enhanced games Damien

Yeah, I will.

But with sort of like a curious intrigue.

I think, as that conversation with James was saying there, at least it's transparent.

At least they're telling you that these people are cheating and seeing how far the human body can be pushed.

Yeah, exactly.

These people are playing just by a different set of rules.

It doesn't mean that they're right or wrong.

It just means that they know the risks that they're taking on, so let them crack on with it.

Yeah, you know, there's that lovely quote in there that your purpose gets you up in the morning, your values allows you to sleep at night.

And I think if you have a clear idea of what you're here to achieve, but more importantly, how you want to go about achieving it, you're a high performer in that definition.

Yeah, yeah, great question.

Turned up with his wife.

He was over in London doing...

a corporate job for a Norwegian oil company.

So he was keen to fit it in around that.

He was actually really, really unassuming.

I think the fact that he doesn't like football, he's not sort of steeped in that culture of getting too high on his own successes, meant that I think there was a little bit of bemusement of why we were so intrigued to talk about it, because it's just what I do.

I've spent my whole life