Jake Sullivan

In no way, though, over these last... If you were to look back on these last, let's say, 25 years, the reputation of the United States is not, they'll come in and really help us take care of poverty.

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The reputation of the United States is they'll bomb the shit out of you from wherever.

Maybe they'll stay for a little while.

Maybe they won't.

They'll tell you, like with the Kurds, we'll arm you and we'll support you and then we'll f***ing abandon you.

Or we'll tell... Like, where is our credibility on the world stage given the just...

Unbelievable chaos that we've unleashed.

I think we're generally responsible for the right populist swing in Europe.

Because if we hadn't have done Libya and we hadn't have done Iraq and all those different things, would they be flooded with refugees in those moments?

I think Libya certainly contributed to that.

So did Syria.

Of course, the difference between Libya and Syria is in Libya, we did take military action.

In Syria, we didn't.

And in both cases, you ended up with these massive... Well, we did, though, in Syria.

We just didn't talk about it.

We were arming Al Nusra Front and all those other... They were being armed.

I remember running into... This was so... It was so weird.

I was in Amman, Jordan.

We were doing a film.