Jake Sullivan

And where things stand in the Middle East today compared to under the Trump presidency or the Obama presidency or before in terms of the relative position of our friends and our adversaries, I'll take it broadly that that, I think, is an opportunity for the new Trump administration to seize. of the events that continue to unfold in Gaza. As you said, it is heartbreaking. It is brutal.

And where things stand in the Middle East today compared to under the Trump presidency or the Obama presidency or before in terms of the relative position of our friends and our adversaries, I'll take it broadly that that, I think, is an opportunity for the new Trump administration to seize. of the events that continue to unfold in Gaza. As you said, it is heartbreaking. It is brutal.

It keeps me up at night. And I think about that from both the perspective of the Palestinians and the Israelis. And I believe that if we can get a foothold in the ceasefire and hostage deal and try to carry that forward into something more enduring... we can move into a different era on that conflict as well. And I know you said you're not one who thinks there can be an ultimate solution.

It keeps me up at night. And I think about that from both the perspective of the Palestinians and the Israelis. And I believe that if we can get a foothold in the ceasefire and hostage deal and try to carry that forward into something more enduring... we can move into a different era on that conflict as well. And I know you said you're not one who thinks there can be an ultimate solution.

I have not entirely given up hope on that despite the sense of hopelessness that is there right now. And then the very final point that I would make on all of this is we have thought hard about how you integrate foreign policy and domestic policy.

I have not entirely given up hope on that despite the sense of hopelessness that is there right now. And then the very final point that I would make on all of this is we have thought hard about how you integrate foreign policy and domestic policy.

So that at the end of the day, what we are doing in terms of our investments in the American people and what we are doing working with countries around the world is most likely 10 years from now to put the United States in a position where we aren't dependent on other countries for critical supply chains. We aren't facing adversaries that are overmatching us militarily or technologically.

So that at the end of the day, what we are doing in terms of our investments in the American people and what we are doing working with countries around the world is most likely 10 years from now to put the United States in a position where we aren't dependent on other countries for critical supply chains. We aren't facing adversaries that are overmatching us militarily or technologically.

We have great and strong friends who we stand behind and stand behind us. And it is a real dividend to Donald Trump that he's being handed a hand that does not involve the United States at war. Then always our final question. What are three books you recommend to the audience?

We have great and strong friends who we stand behind and stand behind us. And it is a real dividend to Donald Trump that he's being handed a hand that does not involve the United States at war. Then always our final question. What are three books you recommend to the audience?

Well, first I'll just say that I frequently get Amazon deliveries from my dad because he listens to your podcast and then takes a book that one of your guests recommended and he sends it to me.

Well, first I'll just say that I frequently get Amazon deliveries from my dad because he listens to your podcast and then takes a book that one of your guests recommended and he sends it to me.

Yeah, exactly. So for me, three books. The first is actually a report from 1945 by Vannevar Bush to FDR called Science, The Endless Frontier that has been turned into a book. You can get it on Amazon. And it's basically the blueprint for America's national science and technology policy for the next several decades.

Yeah, exactly. So for me, three books. The first is actually a report from 1945 by Vannevar Bush to FDR called Science, The Endless Frontier that has been turned into a book. You can get it on Amazon. And it's basically the blueprint for America's national science and technology policy for the next several decades.

And I think it has so much resonance to what we need to do today on semiconductors, on AI, on clean energy, on biotechnology, on quantum. And it's really a story about bold public investment and experimentation unlocking both private sector and academic research that powered American innovation through decades. And he delivered that right at the end of the Second World War. to the president.

And I think it has so much resonance to what we need to do today on semiconductors, on AI, on clean energy, on biotechnology, on quantum. And it's really a story about bold public investment and experimentation unlocking both private sector and academic research that powered American innovation through decades. And he delivered that right at the end of the Second World War. to the president.

And it makes actually for a very good read. The second is a book that I'm just partly through, but I actually, I'll read the whole thing, but I skipped to the end because I really wanted to focus on the AI part of it, which is Nexus by Yuval Hariri.

And it makes actually for a very good read. The second is a book that I'm just partly through, but I actually, I'll read the whole thing, but I skipped to the end because I really wanted to focus on the AI part of it, which is Nexus by Yuval Hariri.

And I think everyone should read this book because to me, I don't agree with every word of it, but it paints a picture of what we are going to be contending with artificial intelligence and that frankly is a little bit worrisome, but is also so deeply thoughtful. One of the points he makes is for the first time, humans are inventing not a tool, but an agent. And this has all kinds of implications.

And I think everyone should read this book because to me, I don't agree with every word of it, but it paints a picture of what we are going to be contending with artificial intelligence and that frankly is a little bit worrisome, but is also so deeply thoughtful. One of the points he makes is for the first time, humans are inventing not a tool, but an agent. And this has all kinds of implications.