Jake Sullivan

Those are our bombs.

We give them those weapons.

We can't dictate... Because I don't know the endgame.

Like, right now, he's bombing Iran, but he's also still bombing in Gaza.

And now he's decided to invade southern Lebanon or bomb that.

Again, it gets to...

You can degrade capability, but all you're doing is creating more ambition.

And how is that a recipe for a lasting peace?

Well, we had someone on our podcast a couple weeks ago named Danny Sentrenowicz, who is the Israeli Defense Forces' intelligence lead for Iran, was that for 15 years.

And what he basically said was, when it comes to Iran, what Israel would like to do under this particular government is just break Iran, cause chaos.

because as far as they're concerned, a broken Iran is less of a threat to Israel.

Now, the United States of America cannot think about it that way because a broken Iran means a broken global economy because they continue to threaten the Straits of Hormuz.

It means a potential refugee flow like we saw after the war in Syria into Europe.

It means a lot else besides.

So I do believe that when it comes to this war in Iran, there is a real divergence

between Israel's ultimate aims and the United States' ultimate aims.

And part of the challenge we've seen is that when we ask, what is the administration doing, they can't answer that question because they don't know why they're there in the first place.

They haven't been able to give us an answer as to what this is all about.

But look, I don't go along the route of because I know there's there's now all the theories like Israel is wagging the dog.

I never bought that.