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Jake Sullivan

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311 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

Well, when the other side wins the election and you lose the election, if your answer to that question is no, there's nothing else we could have or should have done, then you'd have no business, you know, still being around. Of course, I think about that because, of course, the answer has to be yes because we could have and should have done things, obviously, to try to produce a different result.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

Well, when the other side wins the election and you lose the election, if your answer to that question is no, there's nothing else we could have or should have done, then you'd have no business, you know, still being around. Of course, I think about that because, of course, the answer has to be yes because we could have and should have done things, obviously, to try to produce a different result.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

But, you know... President Biden had a deep conviction about what he was trying to deliver for the American people at the end of the day. And it wasn't completely about just setting up the terms of re-election for Democrats. It was about his view of what was going to make America safe and strong and especially... working families in the United States safe and strong.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

But, you know... President Biden had a deep conviction about what he was trying to deliver for the American people at the end of the day. And it wasn't completely about just setting up the terms of re-election for Democrats. It was about his view of what was going to make America safe and strong and especially... working families in the United States safe and strong.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

And I think he believes he set all of those things in motion in a quite dramatic and profound way. And that when we look back at the policies he pursued, the investments he made, and the course he set the country on, it is going to look pretty damn good.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

And I think he believes he set all of those things in motion in a quite dramatic and profound way. And that when we look back at the policies he pursued, the investments he made, and the course he set the country on, it is going to look pretty damn good.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

I've thought about this a lot as well. I guess I believe we are in a plastic moment in the world, a time when our competitors are trying to challenge the system in a profound way. It's true of China. It's true of Russia. It's true of Iran. And they're doing so trying to push the boundaries of what they can, for lack of a better term, get away with. And so I believe that in a period like this,

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

I've thought about this a lot as well. I guess I believe we are in a plastic moment in the world, a time when our competitors are trying to challenge the system in a profound way. It's true of China. It's true of Russia. It's true of Iran. And they're doing so trying to push the boundaries of what they can, for lack of a better term, get away with. And so I believe that in a period like this,

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

There is no way to prevent all crisis, all turbulence. I don't think that that is a viable endgame for American foreign policy. I think the endgame for American foreign policy should be, can we manage that period without ourselves getting dragged into a major conflict We have done that. Can we manage that period with our alliances stronger than we found them?

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

There is no way to prevent all crisis, all turbulence. I don't think that that is a viable endgame for American foreign policy. I think the endgame for American foreign policy should be, can we manage that period without ourselves getting dragged into a major conflict We have done that. Can we manage that period with our alliances stronger than we found them?

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

I think it is indisputable that we have done that. And can we manage that period where our adversaries are weaker than we found them? And in all three cases, China, Russia, Iran, I think the record is clear that they are demonstrably weaker. And on the two areas... that I think are gonna matter the most to our future. One, is AI gonna work for us or against us?

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

I think it is indisputable that we have done that. And can we manage that period where our adversaries are weaker than we found them? And in all three cases, China, Russia, Iran, I think the record is clear that they are demonstrably weaker. And on the two areas... that I think are gonna matter the most to our future. One, is AI gonna work for us or against us?

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

The US has led and has actually shaped both the technology and the rules of the road. And on the clean energy transition, are we gonna make it through this transition in a way that is just and efficient? We have moved supply chains. We have moved investment. We have moved innovation.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

The US has led and has actually shaped both the technology and the rules of the road. And on the clean energy transition, are we gonna make it through this transition in a way that is just and efficient? We have moved supply chains. We have moved investment. We have moved innovation.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

I mean, the United States right now, you look around the world, there's no one else who has anything remotely resembling the hand the United States has. If the measure is, are there any wars happening anywhere in the world at this time? If there are, you failed. Well, there are wars happening.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

I mean, the United States right now, you look around the world, there's no one else who has anything remotely resembling the hand the United States has. If the measure is, are there any wars happening anywhere in the world at this time? If there are, you failed. Well, there are wars happening.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

If the measure is, is there conflict in the Middle East unfolding, then there hasn't been a presidency, including the Trump presidency, where there hasn't been a substantial amount of disorder in the Middle East. But if the measure is, is America in a stronger position

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

If the measure is, is there conflict in the Middle East unfolding, then there hasn't been a presidency, including the Trump presidency, where there hasn't been a substantial amount of disorder in the Middle East. But if the measure is, is America in a stronger position

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

on the issues that actually matter to the long-term health, security, and prosperity of the American people, I think the answer to that question is demonstrably yes.

The Ezra Klein Show
Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

on the issues that actually matter to the long-term health, security, and prosperity of the American people, I think the answer to that question is demonstrably yes.