Jamelle Bouie

I am like I would like to burn that escalator to the ground as a metal.

I mean, so does Trump, Jamel.

So does Trump.

Go ahead.

Okay, which brings me to something I need both of you to address, which is we've spent a lot of time on this podcast talking about Republican members of Congress pushing back against Trump or rather not.

Do you already see signs of this changing?

I'm thinking in particular of like the opposition to Trump's

persecution of Fed Chairman Jerome Powell.

But there have been a couple of episodes of this of late.

And I was talking to Thomas Massey a couple of weeks ago, who, as I'm sure you know, is Trump's least favorite House Republican.

And he predicted that after this cycle of primaries, some of his colleagues would start to loosen up and be more willing to defy the White House going forward.

What do you think?

Well, he's like the opposite of Trump as a cultural phenomenon, right?

J.D.

Vance is pure political aspiration and like you're kind of just straightforward political business as usual.

Yeah.

He's not a celebrity.

He's not charismatic.

He can't order a donut without looking awkward.

He doesn't know how to talk to people.