James Glissan

And just because there are a number of offenses that carry the same penalty doesn't mean that they- They all get added up.

That's right.

It's impossible to know until you see the evidence.

What I can say is that the difficulty the defense is going to find is when it comes to whether or not the juries have already made up their minds and how they can make sure, as hard as they can through their advocacy and their submissions, that the jury brings an impartial mind to this.

That's going to be an inherent difficulty.

Yeah.

And it's going to be difficult because, you know, this story isn't going anywhere.

It's continuing to be a massive topic because people are finally understanding how parts of this system work and it doesn't seem fair.

So that's going to be really hard to manage.

When it comes to the actual evidence itself, we'll only know when we start seeing it.

Pretty soon, I think.

Oh, look, I don't know.

I don't imagine.

So there doesn't seem to be anything that would indicate that.

No.

But what I will say is bail, so it was refused, but it also wasn't applied for.

No.

So there are a number of reasons that can happen.

Now, one of the issues, and this is something people won't know about unless they've had reason to look it up, in the local court, which is where the bail application is going to be determined...

He can get bail.