James Glissan

I really do care about this.

Yeah.

And what's your answer?

Because I wasn't involved in the decision-making process here.

So how did you get to the decision and how do we fix it?

It is.

You know, people refer to this idea of a social contract, which is that we give up a lot of our own personal powers and freedoms for the government to look after the country as a whole and deal with it.

And that's the focus, but it's a contract.

So there's another part of that because we need to benefit in some other way, which is that we still are involved in what it is we must follow.

You know, there's the presumption that everybody knows the law.

I think there's a presumption before that, which is that we had a say in what the law was.

Yeah.

So it's reasonable that you would have known it.

And that's just not happening at the moment.

I think so too.

I think everybody could probably get behind that.

And you speak about COVID.

The reason I think that COVID was such a huge deal, apart from the fact that it changed the way we live our lives and it still has, is, as you say, we've ceded a lot of our rights to the government.

It never really flexed its muscles.

And COVID was the first time the government really flexed the power that it has.