James Glissan

You wouldn't criticize a 12-year-old for not knowing something they weren't taught.

We were all that 12-year-old and we were never taught it.

So then what happens is they get into adult life and the law expects them to know the law.

There's a presumption.

There is a presumption, but it's just a little bit removed from reality at this point.

So when people come into contact with the law, the system they thought they had doesn't exist.

So in their mind, it's not legitimate because that's what they see as a legitimate system.

And that's the problem.

And, you know, you brought it up before, this idea of a proper representative democracy where people can actually have influence of things between election cycles.

That would be a really nice bridge to try and bring people back into the fold and feel included and like they're a part of building the country moving forward.

I actually think people would love that.

Yeah, I think we play it off like we're not all that interested, but not even that deep down.

People are very interested and there's an awful lot to be interested in.

I mean, even things like the privatization of roads and resources, people really should have a say in that because they started off as ours, as a country, as a sovereign capability, for example, the refineries.

And then with very little regard to what the public thought was in there.

There was no vote on that.

No.

And they just start shutting them down.

And now we're in the situation we're in.

And this is the point I think, because there is so much happening in such a short period of time where Australians have said, actually, you know what?