James Glissan

But what's sad is it's not people who are nuts or crazy or violent.

They're people who are so unbelievably disenfranchised with the legal system and people who can find no connection and no bridge across that they then turn to something that gives them an easy answer, which is the sovereign citizen ideal.

In other words, I got my own laws on it.

Yours don't apply to me.

And I find that people often want to write them off.

They want to have a laugh at them at their expense.

It doesn't help.

It's just pushing them further along the garden path.

And what we need to do is find a way, because there's clearly an issue where people feel so disconnected from the legal system that they're meant to be involved in.

to bring them back and make them feel involved so that they can make changes.

I mean, it's a really depressing issue because it shows a real systemic failure for us as a country that people are so removed from this system that they feel that that is a more sensible solution.

route to go down.

Like really bad.

Terrible.

And unfortunately, there is now a flag that people with that ideology can point to and say, see, I told you so.

They killed him.

And I think, you know, you say, where does it come from?

I think it's really a twofold issue at its absolute basic level.

One is most Australians don't understand our system or our rights at all.

And they're not taught them, so they can't understand them.