James Glissan

Of course, if you can manage the scope of the investigation, I mean, it doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to say that you can manage the outcome.

Yeah.

What can be looked at?

Yeah, and it's not their fault.

And that's that.

I think it's symptomatic of a bigger issue, really.

I mean, what happened was appalling, really terrible.

I mean, both ends of it.

That he shot the police.

The police being killed and that it ended the way that it did.

Because now there's not going to be any public trial or explanation of what occurred.

There'll still be an investigation and a coronial.

That's a great example.

The public do deserve to know it was a huge thing that happened, a really big thing that happened.

Yeah.

They definitely exist.

The ideology definitely exists that-

was imported from the us here and it has no basis here it has no basis in the us either but i saw this a lot when i was prosecuting because i would obviously i'd be in court five six seven hours a day running cases and you don't really get a chance to look at what the actual case is often so you'll just meet these people as you go and you'll run the case and sovereign citizens almost always represent themselves um and they say you've got no jurisdiction over you

Yeah, they do.

They say things like that.