James Holland

And that's where the Americans come in because they can provide lots of tanks and they can provide guns and they can provide lots of aircraft.

And that's where they can really materially help.

So not only are they getting rich, but they're also... Lend-Lease is a game changer because they are providing that key of unlocking the supply chain for Britain in terms of the land campaign.

It's not, nothing's...

Well, and also America says, you're not getting lend-lease until you've run out of cash.

So you might be running out of cash, but you haven't run out of cash yet.

So when you've run out of cash, then come knocking.

And there's also, there's all sorts of issues going on in America.

There's all these labor strikes and things, amazingly.

There's more labor strikes in, I think, 1943 or 1942 than any other year in America.

American history.

Literally for a kind of, you know, a gold sovereign.

So not entirely altruistic.

What's really going on in that brain of his?

Exactly, yeah.

There is also an implication, I think, that America's entry into the war is a matter of kind of when, not if.

They're lining up for it.

They're also, in the start of the year, Americans have come over.

It's actually, oh God,

What's his name?