James Holland

Admiral Gormley, isn't it?

Who comes over and conducts the ABC talks about what's going to happen should, hypothetically, America get in the war.

You know, is it going to be Pacific first or is it going to be Germany first?

Of course, you know, Japan isn't in the war at this point at all.

So it is very much Germany first.

And the ABC One agreement, which is signed in late March, clarifies...

between U.S.

and Britain that if the U.S.

enters a war, the priority is going to be to defeat Germany as opposed to any future conflict with Japan.

Of course, that might change.

They might change their mind, but that is the understanding in March.

So that's another big tick for Britain, you know, swallows the pain of having to give up the Viscose factory and industry and various places in the Caribbean and all the rest of it.

And they also agree to help escort Atlantic convoys to Britain.

So, you know, Roosevelt authorises the creation of the Atlantic Fleet, for example.

Now it's...

Thousands of miles.

Because it is actually drafted in ink pen by Churchill.

But it is very much him wanting to get on the right side of Roosevelt.

And Roosevelt is manipulating him quite dramatically.

And Churchill knows this and is allowing himself to be manipulated.