James King

And the one thing I will say, just like programming, just like any technical thing, being a leader, being a manager, you can learn a big podcast I listen to is coaching for leaders.

And they're saying there is coaches aren't born or leaders aren't born, they're made.

And yes, I have gone through some rough patches as a manager and, you know, leader.

And, you know, I have grown and learned it's a different muscle.

It's a different mindset.

So I do feel people can learn it.

But you have to have that personality, you can say, that drive to do it.

And there are some people who don't want to.

They don't want to deal with people.

They want to deal with ones and zeros.

They want to be very literal.

I say this, you're going to do this.

And nothing wrong with that.

Does not mean you should be a manager or a leader of that.

Yes, and I will admit that's probably why I struggle the most with when I first started as a managerial leader was I think I jumped in too early, too much, putting... Please change your role.

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All right.

Sorry if my mic's cutting out.

It's been acting up lately.