James Kynge

And if that was to happen, then the pressure could build to a level at which Takeuchi just simply couldn't resist it anymore.

Well, I have, but certainly not in the era of Bad Bunny.

But yeah, I mean, I have actually.

I've been to quite a few Chinese underground music clubs back in the day.

They kind of pop up in hidden makeshift venues like abandoned air raid shelters or industrial spaces.

Even way back in the 80s, actually, there was a very famous Chinese rock singer called Sui Jian.

He's known as the father of Chinese rock

He used to work in the Beijing Philharmonic Orchestra, but then he picked up his electric guitar.

He had a kind of Springsteen-esque, kind of raspy voice.

And he used to sing about how people had nothing.

I mean, his most famous song was called Nothing to My Name.

And I remember he sang it in Tiananmen Square to the protesting students in 1989.

And it's all about a young guy saying to his girlfriend, will you go with me?

And she laughs at him because he knows he's got nothing to offer.

And then at the crescendo of the song, he notices that her hands are trembling and he says to her, could it be that you're telling me that you love me even though I have nothing to my name?

So that was the first sort of subculture that I remember in China.

But it's evolved a lot since then.

And we're now in the era of Bad Bunny.

So Alice, tell us all about Bad Bunny and China and what the scene is like these days.

Right.