James McCann

Yeah.

Both those guys were really good at shutting down religious ideas.

Yeah.

But I think there's actually a religious style of thinking involved in atheism.

And I know a lot of people who used to be atheists that had psychedelic experiences that gave up on any of that and said, OK, I don't know.

I think there's something else.

And I don't know what it is.

And I'm not going to say that there is no God.

Of course, no, he was a very rational guy.

You know, he just really hated religious zealotry and he really hated justifications for wars.

I mean, he was one of the harshest critics of Bill Clinton ever.

Like that guy was brutal.

He did get behind a rock though.

He did.

And he stuck with it for a long time.

He did, unfortunately.

You know, it's like there's a lot of people that got caught up in that.

You know, they really did believe that that was a good idea.

You know, especially post-September 11th, there was a lot of people that really believed that this had to be done in order to protect us.

Man, it's like with everything, you find out more behind the scenes stuff and what was really going on with Kuwait and why did Iraq invade Kuwait in the first place?