James McHugh

I think you have a lot of challenges.

I think Europe has a lot of challenges.

I think China and the US are powering ahead.

America has clearly shown that America first is the philosophy and ideology that's going to be there for some time.

As somebody that lives on, in a way, both continents, I understand them, understand what they're trying to achieve and what they're doing.

And I kind of look sometimes despairingly at Europe and say, come on, guys, you need to move faster.

It is, yeah.

So, I don't know if you know, James, I lived in Beijing for six years.

So I have a great affinity for the Chinese people.

I think they're really lovely people.

Chinese government needs some work, but the Chinese people, really lovely people.

I think we sometimes sort of think that there is a good side and a bad side.

that we're the good guys and some of the other guys are the bad guys.

You mean around the world?

Yeah.

I think it's a bit more nuanced than that.

For the longest time, I still have two phones.

The Huawei, you can't use it anymore.

I can explain why, but I had a Huawei phone for the same reasons.

What information that I could have that China would use,