James O'Keefe

I certainly did. I remember you said about a year ago, you said, James O'Keefe has chosen a tough life. And it was a very – I think it was a more profound statement than even you intended. Not tough in the way that most people – usually they use the courts against me, legal, lawyers. That's a whole other conversation.

I certainly did. I remember you said about a year ago, you said, James O'Keefe has chosen a tough life. And it was a very – I think it was a more profound statement than even you intended. Not tough in the way that most people – usually they use the courts against me, legal, lawyers. That's a whole other conversation.

But this is very dangerous, and the people that have come before me, like the – what's the movie, To Kill a Messenger? With – about a reporter in California who reported on the CIA and the drugs and the CIA and they were given, and he committed suicide. I think he shot himself in the head twice, by the way. Yeah, this guy. It was based upon Gary Webb to kill a messenger.

But this is very dangerous, and the people that have come before me, like the – what's the movie, To Kill a Messenger? With – about a reporter in California who reported on the CIA and the drugs and the CIA and they were given, and he committed suicide. I think he shot himself in the head twice, by the way. Yeah, this guy. It was based upon Gary Webb to kill a messenger.

These are the reporters that came before me. Gary Webb managed to shoot himself in the head twice. That's a really impressive thing to do. Holy moly. You'd think the gun would fall out of your hand the first time. You would think. Yeah, he did some stories on the CIA. It was a great movie. And Gary Webb has a remarkable quote, an incredible quote that I would like to read on the air.

These are the reporters that came before me. Gary Webb managed to shoot himself in the head twice. That's a really impressive thing to do. Holy moly. You'd think the gun would fall out of your hand the first time. You would think. Yeah, he did some stories on the CIA. It was a great movie. And Gary Webb has a remarkable quote, an incredible quote that I would like to read on the air.

in front of all of you. And it's from this book that was written called To Kill a Messenger. And I'm going to paraphrase because I can't pull it up, but it's Gary Webb says... You know, I was winning. I'm going to paraphrase. I was winning awards. I was getting accolades. I was giving speeches. I won the Pulitzer Prize. And then I broke some stories.

in front of all of you. And it's from this book that was written called To Kill a Messenger. And I'm going to paraphrase because I can't pull it up, but it's Gary Webb says... You know, I was winning. I'm going to paraphrase. I was winning awards. I was getting accolades. I was giving speeches. I won the Pulitzer Prize. And then I broke some stories.

He's talking about the one about the CIA that made me realize how misplaced my bliss had been. I started messing with with the wrong people. And I began to realize I misplaced my value in what I actually valued. I'm butchering the quote, but it's a profound quote. And then he committed suicide. So my point to you is that this is very dangerous, man.

He's talking about the one about the CIA that made me realize how misplaced my bliss had been. I started messing with with the wrong people. And I began to realize I misplaced my value in what I actually valued. I'm butchering the quote, but it's a profound quote. And then he committed suicide. So my point to you is that this is very dangerous, man.

That's correct. But you know what everyone says in the conservative movement? Do you know cash? Do you know Pam? Do you know this guy? It's all about rubbing elbows and people doing favors. I don't do that for a living.

That's correct. But you know what everyone says in the conservative movement? Do you know cash? Do you know Pam? Do you know this guy? It's all about rubbing elbows and people doing favors. I don't do that for a living.

No.

No.

That's right. It's a tough thing as a journalist to navigate the relationship between what I call autonomy and access. There's a tension in journalism because on one hand you have to protect your sources. And on the other hand, you have to investigate. And it's very difficult. That's a very, it's an art form. Yeah. It's an ethical line. At what point do I, I'm going to burn this book.

That's right. It's a tough thing as a journalist to navigate the relationship between what I call autonomy and access. There's a tension in journalism because on one hand you have to protect your sources. And on the other hand, you have to investigate. And it's very difficult. That's a very, it's an art form. Yeah. It's an ethical line. At what point do I, I'm going to burn this book.

In business, you call it burning bridges. In journalism, you burn bridges every day. You report on powerful people. So it's very tough.

In business, you call it burning bridges. In journalism, you burn bridges every day. You report on powerful people. So it's very tough.

Because we all knew what he's now reporting. He's acting like it's news.

Because we all knew what he's now reporting. He's acting like it's news.