James O'Keefe

And I didn't know if I was going to be OK.

And I saw these Venezuelans trying to get a better life.

And it kind of kind of also made me feel like, wow, you know, you know, the humanity of the situation.

So that was probably the most I'm most proud of that investigation I did.

Sounds like it gave you a new perspective on immigration.

Everything.

Well, I felt the immigrants, sometimes they're vilified.

I think it's the system, the border being open, and the NGOs in the United States that house them.

It's all about money.

And I didn't know that.

I went into that investigation thinking, oh, there's some sinister plot.

No, no, no.

It's all about money.

And the people that are benefiting from it are like you and me.

Just people, middle class people that want a job working for these NGOs, HHS, spending a trillion dollars or billions of dollars.

funding it and the cartels making $10,000 per person, there was one moment in that film where I'm at the fence and I put these things, I put audio recording devices on the border wall

And I recorded the cartel cutting through the beam and I'm standing there and I walk up to retrieve the device and the cartel guys, they get scared because they don't want to be filmed.

They go back into the bush and there's other cartel guys and they go, listen, speaking in Spanish, if you don't go back there and keep cutting the fence, we'll kill you.

And I was like, whoa.

It's like, it gives you a whole new perspective on good versus evil, the Venezuelans trying to get a better life.