James O'Keefe

That's almost impossible. That's almost impossible. But that is the mission of how to surround yourself with good people.

I think they're a good team. I think they're loyal. In full disclosure, I've hiked with Bobby Kennedy in the Santa Monica Mountains, and I found him to be a brave man. When I say brave, I mean, there was no... incentive for him to do what he has done. He's a Kennedy. So I agree with Tucker that Bobby Kennedy is probably one of the bravest people to have done what he has done.

I think they're a good team. I think they're loyal. In full disclosure, I've hiked with Bobby Kennedy in the Santa Monica Mountains, and I found him to be a brave man. When I say brave, I mean, there was no... incentive for him to do what he has done. He's a Kennedy. So I agree with Tucker that Bobby Kennedy is probably one of the bravest people to have done what he has done.

But I think going back to your point about incentives, in my case, I speak from personal experience. Let me give you a thought experiment. I've been arrested by the FBI. I've been raided by the FBI. I've been sued 50 times. I've been through all these things. Haven't been shot yet. And what Trump has gone through is at the highest level. And...

But I think going back to your point about incentives, in my case, I speak from personal experience. Let me give you a thought experiment. I've been arrested by the FBI. I've been raided by the FBI. I've been sued 50 times. I've been through all these things. Haven't been shot yet. And what Trump has gone through is at the highest level. And...

I find that there is an incentive to betray people like Trump. Look at all the goodies you get if you go to the New York Times and there's an incentive there. And I find that when you are pinched by the FBI, which I have been, and by the way, totally falsely accused. That doesn't matter if you did it or not. You're an innocent man. Forget that.

I find that there is an incentive to betray people like Trump. Look at all the goodies you get if you go to the New York Times and there's an incentive there. And I find that when you are pinched by the FBI, which I have been, and by the way, totally falsely accused. That doesn't matter if you did it or not. You're an innocent man. Forget that.

They did this to Michael Flynn's son or something to the effect of, you better sign this form. saying that your boss committed a crime or you won't see your family for 10 years. How many people would take that deal? In other words, how many people would do the right thing even if they suffered?

They did this to Michael Flynn's son or something to the effect of, you better sign this form. saying that your boss committed a crime or you won't see your family for 10 years. How many people would take that deal? In other words, how many people would do the right thing even if they suffered?

That's a really terrifying and you hesitate to answer that question because this is where things get really deep. Because when you're going after the most powerful people in the world, which we are doing, which Trump is doing, You have to find people, not Pat, who just won't leak information.

That's a really terrifying and you hesitate to answer that question because this is where things get really deep. Because when you're going after the most powerful people in the world, which we are doing, which Trump is doing, You have to find people, not Pat, who just won't leak information.

But if the FBI were to point a gun at you and said, you better sign a form saying that James embezzled money, they say, I will not do that because I fear God, not man. Or whatever, if you're a Christian, you say that. If you're something else, you say something similar. I fear God, not man. I will not bear false witness. Because it's the wrong thing to do.

But if the FBI were to point a gun at you and said, you better sign a form saying that James embezzled money, they say, I will not do that because I fear God, not man. Or whatever, if you're a Christian, you say that. If you're something else, you say something similar. I fear God, not man. I will not bear false witness. Because it's the wrong thing to do.

Well, then you're not going to see your family for 10 years. Okay. You have to find people like that. That's hard. It's hard to find those people. I go back to my original point. The instinct for self-preservation is an extremely important human behavior.

Well, then you're not going to see your family for 10 years. Okay. You have to find people like that. That's hard. It's hard to find those people. I go back to my original point. The instinct for self-preservation is an extremely important human behavior.

And if you're going to do what Donald Trump is doing, or to a certain extent what Project Veritas is doing, going after Anthony Fauci and these types of people and Pfizer and BlackRock and the FBI, You have to find people who are completely unbreakable. And that's just what we're talking about. How do you find that? Very difficult thing. Very difficult thing to do.

And if you're going to do what Donald Trump is doing, or to a certain extent what Project Veritas is doing, going after Anthony Fauci and these types of people and Pfizer and BlackRock and the FBI, You have to find people who are completely unbreakable. And that's just what we're talking about. How do you find that? Very difficult thing. Very difficult thing to do.

And Donald Trump, I'll say one quick story about Donald Trump. I was with him a year ago in his apartment in... New York City. And this was like right around the week he was getting indicted for some stupid stuff with the porn star. And he was signing a hat to my father. And I had done a story on the CIA, exposed a CIA guy on tape who was on one of these dating apps giving away information.

And Donald Trump, I'll say one quick story about Donald Trump. I was with him a year ago in his apartment in... New York City. And this was like right around the week he was getting indicted for some stupid stuff with the porn star. And he was signing a hat to my father. And I had done a story on the CIA, exposed a CIA guy on tape who was on one of these dating apps giving away information.

I'm resisting Donald Trump. I'm not giving information to the president. And Trump wanted to make a video with me about reacting to this. And I said, how do you deal with it? I said, I'm serious. And he goes, he's signing this hat to my dad. And he goes, I just don't care. I just don't care. I was like, you don't care? He's like, I don't care. Maybe he doesn't care.