James O'Loughlin

Yeah.

But nonetheless, what was it when you kind of reunited, that's the phrase with him, as a friend at uni, at your college, that made you think, love him a bit and made you go, what did he do that made you think, oh, I think I really like you?

Men need sport to hang out with each other once they get past their youth.

Yeah.

I mean, but when you're at that age, when you're young, you know, you're able to somehow just hang out all the time and not...

have purpose-driven social encounters.

Like we must have dinner together.

It's more you just, I don't know, you just drop in on the guy and hang out, don't you?

So you stuck with each other.

How did your friendship change once you'd finished uni and went out into the big wide world?

So you did a law degree and you were a lawyer for a while.

Now, you and I both know the worlds of comedy and literature are peopled with ex-lawyers, so many ex-lawyers.

What was it that made you want to get out of the law and do something different?

So how did you and John, years and years later, decades later, reconnect during the COVID epidemic?

And was this all given as a big information dump with the bad news at the end like that?

How did that news hit you?

I know you want to make this about John, but I'm just asking you.

How did that hit you?

And so you remembered, you remembered, or you just, I don't know, it kind of all hit you, what he meant to you?

The Mr. Fluffy controversy, if that's what I can call it, or scandal controversy.