James Pogue

Even someone like Thomas Massey, who we talked about earlier, who's a very traditional libertarian congressman, but actually can speak these languages very well.

Even someone like Thomas Massey, who we talked about earlier, who's a very traditional libertarian congressman, but actually can speak these languages very well.

Mm-hmm. You know, I talked to the head of Claremont about this. And I've actually, I've talked to several people who you would think sort of would be in the world of feeling like their kids, so to speak, are ascendant and are going to take these positions. And candidly, it's less clear to me that that is happening at the scale that I thought it would than I had expected.

Mm-hmm. You know, I talked to the head of Claremont about this. And I've actually, I've talked to several people who you would think sort of would be in the world of feeling like their kids, so to speak, are ascendant and are going to take these positions. And candidly, it's less clear to me that that is happening at the scale that I thought it would than I had expected.

So I talked to the head of Claremont, which... I think we could justifiably say is going to replace the traditional Republican think tanks as the shaping ideological shop going forward in this administration. And he said, yes, I think that's true. And I said, are you placing people? And he said, some.

So I talked to the head of Claremont, which... I think we could justifiably say is going to replace the traditional Republican think tanks as the shaping ideological shop going forward in this administration. And he said, yes, I think that's true. And I said, are you placing people? And he said, some.

And I talked to the new editor-in-chief of the American Conservative and I was sort of like, so are you I talked to him on election night and I said, you know, so you're the new house Oregon for the golden dawn future empire. And he looked at me a little confused. He was like, I don't know if that's going to be the case. And so I think you actually do raise a good point. Like in JD's office, yes.

And I talked to the new editor-in-chief of the American Conservative and I was sort of like, so are you I talked to him on election night and I said, you know, so you're the new house Oregon for the golden dawn future empire. And he looked at me a little confused. He was like, I don't know if that's going to be the case. And so I think you actually do raise a good point. Like in JD's office, yes.

In the broader, I mean, this vast structure of the federal government that is going to remain vast however much they want to trim it, is this ferment going to reshape everything? I don't know. I'll tell you just in terms of rumors, things like this, right? Like, I don't want to name the person, but I know a guy who... He was saying like, yeah, I'll probably be doing Latin America policy.

In the broader, I mean, this vast structure of the federal government that is going to remain vast however much they want to trim it, is this ferment going to reshape everything? I don't know. I'll tell you just in terms of rumors, things like this, right? Like, I don't want to name the person, but I know a guy who... He was saying like, yeah, I'll probably be doing Latin America policy.

And there's a bunch of sort of Twitter anons, basically, who go to El Salvador all the time and are friends with the president down there. And like, yeah, if you call someone up and you fight for a job... Those people are getting jobs as far as I understand. And so as far as scale goes, like this social world is still not that big.

And there's a bunch of sort of Twitter anons, basically, who go to El Salvador all the time and are friends with the president down there. And like, yeah, if you call someone up and you fight for a job... Those people are getting jobs as far as I understand. And so as far as scale goes, like this social world is still not that big.

I mean, there were at the passage ball, I mean, there's a few hundred people, right? They're not setting the tone in the sense that they actually have the bodies and the mass to be like, we're the big team. Our boys are the ones that get to go. But in terms of the ones who are here and around and get invited to the right parties, yes, if they want a job, they're coming in.

I mean, there were at the passage ball, I mean, there's a few hundred people, right? They're not setting the tone in the sense that they actually have the bodies and the mass to be like, we're the big team. Our boys are the ones that get to go. But in terms of the ones who are here and around and get invited to the right parties, yes, if they want a job, they're coming in.

Well, on the one hand, a friend of mine who is actually not even particularly right-wing, although in this sort of the weirdness of American politics these days, I think like a liberal would— regard him as sort of anathema.

Well, on the one hand, a friend of mine who is actually not even particularly right-wing, although in this sort of the weirdness of American politics these days, I think like a liberal would— regard him as sort of anathema.

But a friend of mine on one of these vast group chats that people get invited to where you have this politically heterodox, crazy world getting discussed right now, said something right after the election that was just like, the first thing that has suddenly happened and that will happen is that the cultivation of virtue and displaying public virtue as a good that is cool again is

But a friend of mine on one of these vast group chats that people get invited to where you have this politically heterodox, crazy world getting discussed right now, said something right after the election that was just like, the first thing that has suddenly happened and that will happen is that the cultivation of virtue and displaying public virtue as a good that is cool again is

is coming back and it's coming back now. And he may in fact be right about that. And I don't, you know, I agree with you. That's a, It's a very difficult thing to square with the figure of Donald Trump, who does not seem to exactly cultivate any of that. But you don't always need, you know, Napoleon becomes a symbol beyond Napoleon's behavior and actual activities.

is coming back and it's coming back now. And he may in fact be right about that. And I don't, you know, I agree with you. That's a, It's a very difficult thing to square with the figure of Donald Trump, who does not seem to exactly cultivate any of that. But you don't always need, you know, Napoleon becomes a symbol beyond Napoleon's behavior and actual activities.