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James Pogue

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358 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

And that's very much sort of the role that Trump occupies right now. In terms of the stuff where you're trying to get to the point of family formation and reward, for example, like have men be...

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

And that's very much sort of the role that Trump occupies right now. In terms of the stuff where you're trying to get to the point of family formation and reward, for example, like have men be...

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

rewarded in public and seen as honorable and good for what they do for being family men and fathers instead of for being like a cool dj you do have to do policy to make that happen right you do have to do some kind of policies in the jd vance kind of realm of like how do you remake family formation you do have to i mean in what i find to be like a little bit of a horror vision like

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

rewarded in public and seen as honorable and good for what they do for being family men and fathers instead of for being like a cool dj you do have to do policy to make that happen right you do have to do some kind of policies in the jd vance kind of realm of like how do you remake family formation you do have to i mean in what i find to be like a little bit of a horror vision like

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

Do you have to like remilitarize society? Do you have to do what I know plenty of people are advocating right now, which is like invade Mexico just as a reason to send young men to go defend their communities from fentanyl exporters? Like people are talking about that. And when you say people, who is talking about that?

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

Do you have to like remilitarize society? Do you have to do what I know plenty of people are advocating right now, which is like invade Mexico just as a reason to send young men to go defend their communities from fentanyl exporters? Like people are talking about that. And when you say people, who is talking about that?

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

I mean, I like I have to be very careful about like not revealing like off the record stuff, but like, yeah, intellectuals in this general space of like new rightish heterodox. I know this is going to sound funny because we've spent this entire time talking about the divisions between the nationalist populace and the tech right and this kind of thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

I mean, I like I have to be very careful about like not revealing like off the record stuff, but like, yeah, intellectuals in this general space of like new rightish heterodox. I know this is going to sound funny because we've spent this entire time talking about the divisions between the nationalist populace and the tech right and this kind of thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

But it really is true that it's a pretty small world and people know each other. And there are people who sort of like swim in this stew. And so some of it is like jokers who are trying to like make a name for themselves by saying we have to invade Mexico.

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

But it really is true that it's a pretty small world and people know each other. And there are people who sort of like swim in this stew. And so some of it is like jokers who are trying to like make a name for themselves by saying we have to invade Mexico.

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

But in this particular case, which I bring up, there's demonstrably been some influence from that because Donald Trump has refused to deny the possibility that American special forces will go attack cartels. So you can see it.

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

But in this particular case, which I bring up, there's demonstrably been some influence from that because Donald Trump has refused to deny the possibility that American special forces will go attack cartels. So you can see it.

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

In a certain way, this is all connected, right? So, okay, if you're Blake Masters or J.D. Vance and you want to be able to have a man on a single income raise a multiple child household with your wife living at home, okay, well, one way you get there is you have this super dynamic, tech-driven revitalization of the American defense base

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

In a certain way, this is all connected, right? So, okay, if you're Blake Masters or J.D. Vance and you want to be able to have a man on a single income raise a multiple child household with your wife living at home, okay, well, one way you get there is you have this super dynamic, tech-driven revitalization of the American defense base

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

And then eventually when all rising powers come to conflict, these men do get to conquer and go do their thing. And, you know, it's pretty hard for families to raise a ton of kids while the man is off working without the benefit of community. So suddenly probably people are going back to Catholic church way more.

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

And then eventually when all rising powers come to conflict, these men do get to conquer and go do their thing. And, you know, it's pretty hard for families to raise a ton of kids while the man is off working without the benefit of community. So suddenly probably people are going back to Catholic church way more.

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

And like the whole thing kind of fits together in this beautiful puzzle that'll just rise. Like if we can just adjust our value structure, right? Yeah. It's so hard to explain to someone who's not a part of the headspace because they go, well, wait, how does invading Panama have anything to do with family formation?

The Ezra Klein Show
MAGA’s Big Tech Divide

And like the whole thing kind of fits together in this beautiful puzzle that'll just rise. Like if we can just adjust our value structure, right? Yeah. It's so hard to explain to someone who's not a part of the headspace because they go, well, wait, how does invading Panama have anything to do with family formation?