James Pogue

So Thomas Massey is a Kentucky congressman who actually he represents a district right across the river from where J.D. and I grew up. And he built his own home, you know, from limestone he hewed from his land. But he lives off grid. He drives a Tesla. He powers his home with a Tesla battery that he repurposed. But he's also a regenerative farmer. And he raises beef.

So Thomas Massey is a Kentucky congressman who actually he represents a district right across the river from where J.D. and I grew up. And he built his own home, you know, from limestone he hewed from his land. But he lives off grid. He drives a Tesla. He powers his home with a Tesla battery that he repurposed. But he's also a regenerative farmer. And he raises beef.

And Micah Metacroft, who's I think one of the smartest people in all of this world, and not by any means a true radical, Micah described this to me as really an attempt to rebuild a sense of yeomanry. in the United States, a sense of agency that you have control over your physical environment.

And Micah Metacroft, who's I think one of the smartest people in all of this world, and not by any means a true radical, Micah described this to me as really an attempt to rebuild a sense of yeomanry. in the United States, a sense of agency that you have control over your physical environment.

So they'll talk about right to repair, which, you know, people on the left talk about as well, but the right to actually get into your highly complex new Toyota Tacoma and have the government say, no, you're supposed to be allowed to work on this thing. Have the right to manipulate your land in ways that, you know, certain environmental policies do make

So they'll talk about right to repair, which, you know, people on the left talk about as well, but the right to actually get into your highly complex new Toyota Tacoma and have the government say, no, you're supposed to be allowed to work on this thing. Have the right to manipulate your land in ways that, you know, certain environmental policies do make

a little bit difficult depending on where you are. And so yet again, it's all of a piece of sort of like, I don't want to say purely masculine agency, but it's a way of rebuilding a sense of yeomanry and agency in this new golden American dynamic dawn that everyone's now promising.

a little bit difficult depending on where you are. And so yet again, it's all of a piece of sort of like, I don't want to say purely masculine agency, but it's a way of rebuilding a sense of yeomanry and agency in this new golden American dynamic dawn that everyone's now promising.

Yeah. I mean, to go back to Uncle Ted, as people call him, a lot of what people like in that manifesto in the right-wing world is actually not purely the tech critique. It's the parts where Kaczynski talks about how over-socialized the left is. And what he means there is... you know, sort of vague if you're not already a little bit in the headspace and understanding where he's getting to.

Yeah. I mean, to go back to Uncle Ted, as people call him, a lot of what people like in that manifesto in the right-wing world is actually not purely the tech critique. It's the parts where Kaczynski talks about how over-socialized the left is. And what he means there is... you know, sort of vague if you're not already a little bit in the headspace and understanding where he's getting to.

But I mean, I'll start by saying that I don't think you could possibly be more right about that fundamental dividing line. I think broadly speaking, it's not even just a leftist project. Liberalism is to some degree an idea of, you know, we got to a point where we almost thought we can reduce harms as a societal project almost to a millenarian extent.

But I mean, I'll start by saying that I don't think you could possibly be more right about that fundamental dividing line. I think broadly speaking, it's not even just a leftist project. Liberalism is to some degree an idea of, you know, we got to a point where we almost thought we can reduce harms as a societal project almost to a millenarian extent.

The left really did feel like, you know, men can just be better. Like we don't have to, we can suddenly have a societal conversation and suddenly men are going to behave in ways where in the workplace, we no longer have interpersonal sexual issues and we can get rid of this.

The left really did feel like, you know, men can just be better. Like we don't have to, we can suddenly have a societal conversation and suddenly men are going to behave in ways where in the workplace, we no longer have interpersonal sexual issues and we can get rid of this.

And the idea of reshaping human people into some, into forms that actually just like fit into collective structures well, and then policing the bounds of their behavior when they don't fit into those collective structures is, I do think that like really came to shape, not just leftism, but liberal centrism across the Western world.

And the idea of reshaping human people into some, into forms that actually just like fit into collective structures well, and then policing the bounds of their behavior when they don't fit into those collective structures is, I do think that like really came to shape, not just leftism, but liberal centrism across the Western world.

And so it becomes a very, very difficult conversation to have suddenly an election where half the country has via Twitter and podcasts and all kinds of different things that liberals are not even aware of 90% of the time. And suddenly people are saying, no, no, we actually have a different conception of human nature than you. And I'm 38.

And so it becomes a very, very difficult conversation to have suddenly an election where half the country has via Twitter and podcasts and all kinds of different things that liberals are not even aware of 90% of the time. And suddenly people are saying, no, no, we actually have a different conception of human nature than you. And I'm 38.

For most of my lifetime, you know, living under this kind of neoliberal establishment consensus, that conversation wasn't even possible to have in the public realm. And arguably, it's still not possible to have in the public realm because the media spheres are so separate.

For most of my lifetime, you know, living under this kind of neoliberal establishment consensus, that conversation wasn't even possible to have in the public realm. And arguably, it's still not possible to have in the public realm because the media spheres are so separate.