James Sutherland

Just in relation to the Butters case, and he said, she said, does the same not apply to the Collard case?

Yeah, Tom, weren't the AFL already pushing for 10 weeks?

They've already made their decision by the sound of that.

And also, Tom, how would this go if we weren't just talking about how much money you get?

What if it was a racist mark or a sexist remark or something like that?

He said, she said, you know, normally when that happens, that person's hung out to dry regardless.

Well, we have a long-standing tradition of putting 300-game players on the cover.

It's been a tradition of ours probably for the last 25 years.

It was a Tony Peake rule from back in the day when he was sort of the head media guru at the AFL, and the AFL record team was instructed accordingly.

So I have no issues whatsoever if he is limiting the media around his milestone game.

So I have no problem with that whatsoever.

But we end up, a guy called Ben Guthrie, who is a brother of Cam and Zach at Geelong, a former really good AFL media journalist, Ben, and a family friend.

And it's the old, you know, Stephen Wells being the genius he is, you know, someone I think might've been, um,

Yeah, well, the approach for that one was that Peter Blucher, who's our sort of Queensland correspondent, for lack of a better word, and regular on this show now,

He, uh, he, uh, well connecting the plan management world.

So he's told the story of how the, the, the campaign, the Brisbane's campaign to recruit Lockie Neal started over a succulent Mexican meal at a restaurant in Darwin.

I thought he's pretty established and settled in, um, in Fremantle, but then the end of the year, the end of the season came and he said, I don't know, he's actually interested in pursuing this.

So that's where the, and then it was a really complicated, as before the, after the 2018 season, that's right.

And unbelievably complicated trade that you would be all across better than I would.

involving Chad Wingard and a bunch of players, Wingard from Port to Hawthorne, involved in all this as well, very complicated trade.