James Talarico

isn't when you pretend like there is a conflict.

I guess my point is if you, I've actually seen some of our videos about policy and some of our explainer videos do the best.

I think there is a hunger to understand what's happening.

But if you pretend that that policy is being created or needs to exist in the world,

without the conflict that is the context, then you're not being honest with people.

You're not shooting straight.

And you mentioned earlier, people want to be moved.

Don't we want politics that moves people?

And in fact, I see the major problem in, at least in my party, is politics that doesn't move anyone or moves them in unhealthy directions.

Because you can move people toward anger or you can move people toward hope.

We have had a politics that moves people toward anger and toward fear and toward division and hate.

We've had that for 10 years on both sides of the aisle.

I think the reason that I'm getting traction on these platforms

The reason I'm standing out is because I'm moving us toward hope.

Well, I think we have to recognize the asymmetry between the two sides of our political discourse.

And I don't mean parties, but I mean people who are a little more conservative, they want to hold on to what we have, or maybe backwards, regressive is a better term for that, or those who are a little more progressive and they want to move us forward.

Those are two different jobs.

Trying to get us to move backwards requires certain appeals.

Getting us to move forward requires certain appeals.

The mistake too many Democrats have made is adopting the tactics that work for the regressive side of our discourse, the Trumpian side of our conversation.