James Talarico

Does that embryo or that fetus, does its rights trump the rights of that girl?

And I say no.

I think most Americans say no.

And to me, that exposes kind of the lack of support for fetal personhood.

Again, we can have conversations about limits to abortion, all of those things.

But I do think it's clear that most Americans believe that a woman or a girl should have the autonomy to make those decisions about their own body.

Well, I think if you look at the data, the late-term abortions that happen are almost exclusively to save the life of the mother.

Because, I mean, now you're talking about people who have picked out a name, who have bought a crib, people who want this baby.

And so the only time this happens is for immediate, life-threatening medical reasons.

Well, and I think within Roe versus Wade, there was a legal framework for states to be able to make decisions about how you regulate abortion.

And so if a state decides that they wanted to ban elective late-term abortions, if those things happen, then that was completely fine within the framework of Roe versus Wade.

But we're not having that conversation, right?

We're having a conversation about a total extreme ban on abortion here in Texas, the most extreme.

Well, and that was the original ban that passed, but then Texas had a trigger law in place, which was if Roe v. Wade is overturned, which it was, then Texas would automatically ban abortion in all cases.

So no longer a week-by-week framework.

It was a total ban.

So there was that original ban that went into place, but then that was because Roe was overturned, was then replaced by a total ban.

So in Texas, again, we're not recognizing any of the shades of gray in this conversation.

It is the most extreme ban in the country, and we've seen the devastating consequences of it.

We saw –